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Post by amphinon on Aug 29, 2012 17:06:28 GMT -5
I've been having a lot of phone conversations with an instructor that I think has an account on here, but rarely ever posts. Milkman knows him This instructor doesn't do any kata...anymore, or require his students to do so, but he definitely keeps a great standard for himself and his students. I must admit, I'm leaning more and more to how he conducts his classes. If any of you knew me 17+ years ago, you would have been shocked to hear me talk about such "blasphemy" as removing all kata since I was still practicing most of the shito ryu and goju ryu kata, still (shito has far too much kata). Having learned anywhere from 4 to 6 variations of some of the most popular kata in my short life is far too much, and ridiculous. Having to have known around 50 different kata, and I'm not just talking 5 pinan, 3 rohai, 2-3 basai, kanku dai and sho...but around 50 totally different kata plus all the different variations is just stupid. What was the point of me being only 16-17 years old being force fed this many kata? Mind you, this is an extreme example, but what happened to me and probably a part of why I'm so anti kata, now, but this did take a lot of years for me to get to this point. After years of learning combinations, doing pad work, and other different types of training I don't hold as much value for kata anymore. I'm not saying any of you are wrong that still do kata, but I'm saying it's just not for me anymore. Osu! Wouldn't abandoning the Kyokushin syllabus be a bad idea for your students if they wanted to remain Kyokushin? I find you confusing because in the posts in the topic "Ro-Ken Karate" you criticize the school for claiming Kyokushin roots when it can be proved with documentation even though the katas are different. Aren't you doing the same thing effectively?
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Post by powerof0ne on Aug 29, 2012 20:43:50 GMT -5
I've been having a lot of phone conversations with an instructor that I think has an account on here, but rarely ever posts. Milkman knows him This instructor doesn't do any kata...anymore, or require his students to do so, but he definitely keeps a great standard for himself and his students. I must admit, I'm leaning more and more to how he conducts his classes. If any of you knew me 17+ years ago, you would have been shocked to hear me talk about such "blasphemy" as removing all kata since I was still practicing most of the shito ryu and goju ryu kata, still (shito has far too much kata). Having learned anywhere from 4 to 6 variations of some of the most popular kata in my short life is far too much, and ridiculous. Having to have known around 50 different kata, and I'm not just talking 5 pinan, 3 rohai, 2-3 basai, kanku dai and sho...but around 50 totally different kata plus all the different variations is just stupid. What was the point of me being only 16-17 years old being force fed this many kata? Mind you, this is an extreme example, but what happened to me and probably a part of why I'm so anti kata, now, but this did take a lot of years for me to get to this point. After years of learning combinations, doing pad work, and other different types of training I don't hold as much value for kata anymore. I'm not saying any of you are wrong that still do kata, but I'm saying it's just not for me anymore. Osu! Wouldn't abandoning the Kyokushin syllabus be a bad idea for your students if they wanted to remain Kyokushin? I find you confusing because in the posts in the topic "Ro-Ken Karate" you criticize the school for claiming Kyokushin roots when it can be proved with documentation even though the katas are different. Aren't you doing the same thing effectively? I had to learn Kyokushin way of doing kata, when I was taught Kyokushin. In fact, many had no idea I had a Kyokushin background that knew me from another forum because I distanced myself from my former instructor for some years; Cairns. Cairns lineage is from Martina, and Martina learned from Bluming, Bluming learned from Sosai. I have nothing to hide, I'm a very open book, besides knockdown karate, I hold low dan ranking in shito ryu, goju ryu, and in a lesser known style chokushinkai, and I'm instructor ranked in Muay Thai under Master Toddy, Lookchang, and Chan. I'm no great Kyokushin champion, I actually had more success in Muay Thai competition than I ever had in knockdown tournaments but I can hold my own. There are other Kyokushin orgs that do little to no kata today, and many offshoot styles, as well. However, they started out many times in kyokushin with pretty direct roots to Sosai.....folk like Bluming, Azuma (Daido Juku), Ashihara, Ninomiya, and our very own Chamberlain Funny as it is, the last three are somewhat connected, too The first two are as well (Bluming gave Azuma his last high rank). Some would argue that some that I mention aren't Kyokushin anymore, and of course, some of them call what they do another style that I just mentioned. I would definitely say I'm no Kyokushin purist, I care if the person can hold their own against other people of the rank they have. I don't care how pretty somebody's kata is anymore, and haven't in over a decade. I guess I'm a rebel Osu!
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Post by GJEC on Aug 30, 2012 2:16:16 GMT -5
Ashihara, Ninomiya, and our very own Chamberlain I don't put myself in the same bracket as Ashihara or Ninomiya. For them it was (is) a lifetimes study and dedication, for me it's just a hobby. Nice to be mentioned though, thank you. Gary
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Post by powerof0ne on Aug 30, 2012 16:37:19 GMT -5
Ashihara, Ninomiya, and our very own Chamberlain I don't put myself in the same bracket as Ashihara or Ninomiya. For them it was (is) a lifetimes study and dedication, for me it's just a hobby. Nice to be mentioned though, thank you. Gary I know you personally don't, but many others respect your experience, as do I . I was using you as an example of somebody that I don't think most of us would argue has the experience to "break off" and "do your own thing." Osu!
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