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Post by yoshukai on Oct 13, 2011 19:44:11 GMT -5
This thread got me to thinking... Delusional students are bad enough, but a delusional instructor is what chaps my a**. Not talking about anyone on here, of course. ;D
Some instructors actually give students a false confidence about techniques that could actually get them killed if used in a real SD situation.
Osu!
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 13, 2011 20:40:45 GMT -5
This thread got me to thinking... Delusional students are bad enough, but a delusional instructor is what chaps my a**. Not talking about anyone on here, of course. ;D Some instructors actually give students a false confidence about techniques that could actually get them killed if used in a real SD situation. Osu! Yes! Great point! There are at least three "10th Dan" grand poobah master sake soke dokey all within a 20 minute driving radius of me and none of them are what I'd consider legit. One of them was a white belt when my Dad was a blue belt under the same sensei.....my Dad isn't even quite 60, yet. Is my Dad even close to judan? LOL no! (My Dad has never trained in knockdown, primarily hayashi ha shito ryu kai) I realized I can't control all the mcdojo grandmaster wannabes so I try to have control over the quality of the students I do have instead. Osu!
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Post by yoshukai on Oct 13, 2011 21:08:10 GMT -5
I like the way you think PO1! We can't fix everyone. The quality of the teacher shows through the students.
Osu!
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Post by hokuto12 on Oct 14, 2011 4:35:28 GMT -5
Osu I'll second that. There are alot of people out there that claim they are great but when it hit the fans they crumble. The students who learn from these so called masters skills are also below par.
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 14, 2011 14:09:37 GMT -5
Osu I'll second that. There are alot of people out there that claim they are great but when it hit the fans they crumble. The students who learn from these so called masters skills are also below par. What makes it difficult, are the ones that do have some legit rank & experience that feel the need to exaggerate it. I trained with one such instructor for years, considered him a big brother and felt treated as a younger brother by him. He fought professionally in Japan (Korokuen hall, Osaka Jo), Australia, Belarus, Myanmar, and many more places. He trained under a good knockdown karate and kickboxing instructor who I later trained under to get his black belt from, he also had a lot of experience in Muay Thai and TKD that was all legit. He is very skilled, and really has no reason to exaggerate, his skills are proof enough... However, he claimed to be a 4x world champion, '88 Olympic gold medalist, and a bunch of other stuff that just wasn't true. It saddened me for a long time...I eventually left him which created even more problems for a few years. I later found out he said I "sold out" (funny because I didn't move up in rank or make money from leaving him) to others behind my back. He also tried to tell me that I didn't have the right to teach others Muay Thai even though I had a certificate from him that said "instructor" on it...which he said that meant I was only allowed to teach people while I was under him LOL! So I did what most of the Men in my family did, I became very stubborn and went to who certified him as a Muay Thai instructor..I then went to who he learned knockdown karate from, too. It's a very long story and I'm skipping over some large chunks of it but more or less, I had a great instructor, but he exaggerated his background when he had no need to. I did learn a lot from this man, he made me a much better fighter then I was before him but I didn't want to be associated with someone that made claims like he did that just weren't true. If anybody wants to know more about this, go ahead and send me a private message. I kind of made up with this man a couple of years ago, but for many years, we had bad blood between us which is sad, because we should have been helping out each other instead. I'm not trying to create enemies in martial arts, especially with people who taught me a lot. I must add he's the only instructor of mine that I've ever had any type of falling out with. What probably made it harder was I was very loyal to him, and would have done anything he told me, but when I found out a lot of what he said was bullshit, it hurt me a lot. So I can relate to those that trained under a fake or not so honest instructor..however, they're only lying to themselves once they discover the truth and keep training under the individual. I was lucky enough that this individual did have legit rank and experience in knockdown karate & MT so any rank I received from him is legit rank but for the others that learn under somebody that invents a bunch of crap and hands out rank they have no right to do..the student needs to accept they wasted their time and find a qualified & legit instructor. I guess they want to hold onto their "fake" black belts instead of admitting they need to start over at white. Osu!
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Post by yoshukai on Oct 15, 2011 17:13:35 GMT -5
I know an instructor about 60 miles from where I live that is know for making stuff up. He was chito ryu in the beginning, then went with Yoshukai when it went separate. He had a falling out with Yoshukai do to not being graded quick enough to his satisfaction. He then went back to Chito Ryu. Now he calls what he does Chito Ryu -Yoshukai and tells everyone that he was promoted to 9 and 1/2 degree black belt by Yoshukai founder Soke Yamamoto.
The above claim is utterly ridiculous. You leave and then the guy you left promotes you above his own students? The guys also claims to have been given he grade by Yamamoto and his council in Japan. Would all be gravy if there was such a council.
Osu!
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Post by MMX on Oct 15, 2011 21:36:25 GMT -5
Holy snikes. That is a heck of story Yoshukai. Delusion it seems knows no bounds.
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 15, 2011 22:37:04 GMT -5
With my former instructor, he sold many people into thinking he was a 4x world champion and '88 Olympic TKD gold medalist that it was printed on some fight posters, etc. I actually believed it to be true for a few years until one day I used google or some search engine and checked out the '88 Olympics roster . I kept this to myself for quite a while until I met somebody that was on the '88 Olympic TKD team as an alternate, he had no idea who my instructor was and it kept growing from there. I dug deeper on his Muay Thai claims...but he honestly did have a lot of great professional Muay Thai experience around the world. No idea why he thought he should say this crap. What still blows me away is how many students are still naive to much of this. Why can't just saying you're a black belt with so many years of actual experience and your experience of doing professional fights around the world be enough? I don't understand why people who are legit feel the need to exaggerate such crazy bullshit. Osu!
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Post by wullie on Oct 17, 2011 3:43:41 GMT -5
This thread got me to thinking... Delusional students are bad enough, but a delusional instructor is what chaps my a**. Not talking about anyone on here, of course. ;D Some instructors actually give students a false confidence about techniques that could actually get them killed if used in a real SD situation. Osu! Yes! Great point! There are at least three "10th Dan" grand poobah master sake soke dokey all within a 20 minute driving radius of me and none of them are what I'd consider legit. One of them was a white belt when my Dad was a blue belt under the same sensei.....my Dad isn't even quite 60, yet. Is my Dad even close to judan? LOL no! (My Dad has never trained in knockdown, primarily hayashi ha shito ryu kai) I realized I can't control all the mcdojo grandmaster wannabes so I try to have control over the quality of the students I do have instead. Osu! Dojo storming should made legal!
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 17, 2011 4:16:28 GMT -5
Yes! Great point! There are at least three "10th Dan" grand poobah master sake soke dokey all within a 20 minute driving radius of me and none of them are what I'd consider legit. One of them was a white belt when my Dad was a blue belt under the same sensei.....my Dad isn't even quite 60, yet. Is my Dad even close to judan? LOL no! (My Dad has never trained in knockdown, primarily hayashi ha shito ryu kai) I realized I can't control all the mcdojo grandmaster wannabes so I try to have control over the quality of the students I do have instead. Osu! Dojo storming should made legal! Lol I agree it should be! When I was younger I wanted to but my Dad knew and made me promise not to out of fear I would have been arrested.
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 18, 2011 22:18:26 GMT -5
So, I think this student quit last night. I passed word to have him return a book that I let him borrowed, because I had no idea if he already quit or not, and I didn't want to lose the book.
He shows up late, I told him 30 push ups at the door way before he opens and he questions me...then he says he didn't show up to train, hands me the book, and leaves.
He could have easily given the book to somebody else to pass on to me. I guess I'm a jerk, but I didn't see too many other alternatives to how I should have handled this situation. I know I'm nicer then some of my past sensei were to me, yet I didn't quit. Osu!
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Post by ironcastknight on Oct 18, 2011 22:49:08 GMT -5
And you, your students, and your dojo are better off for it.
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 18, 2011 23:11:15 GMT -5
And you, your students, and your dojo are better off for it. Thanks . I still don't like losing a student, and in the beginning, I was hoping this would be good for this specific student. I remember I lost a female student after her first class because I told everyone they can expect to get hit. I forgot how I explained it, but how can anybody expect to learn a full contact martial art without ever getting hit? I don't even see how you can honestly learn SD/SP without ever getting hit. Obviously, I mean within reason, I would never start thrashing a student with a shinai, purposely try to knock them out, and so forth. Osu!
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Post by senshido on Oct 19, 2011 4:07:25 GMT -5
at least now, the other students know you will not stand for crap... should hopefully make things easier for the future
Osu!
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Post by GJEC on Oct 19, 2011 5:31:52 GMT -5
Whatever tone or ethos you set for your dojo, you'll never make everyone happy. There will always be some who abuse your good nature, be it by turning up late or not paying on time. etc etc.
It's most important that YOU are happy with how you teach, and if that means letting people go now and again that are annoying your happiness, so be it. I've been tempted in the past to go the extra mile for people - through gritted teeth - and then usually found they want that mile and an extra 100 yards as well.
So now I don't. They have to fit in or ultimately they're just spoiling the place for everyone.
Gary
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