curlbroscience
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Post by curlbroscience on Oct 31, 2012 13:51:55 GMT -5
Guilty as charged as well. Even in my current strength program. I guess partially due to the idea that barbell lifting was a temporary endeavor and that I was going back to kettlebells eventually.
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GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Nov 1, 2012 11:01:09 GMT -5
You heard it here first!
This months Fighting Fit magazine (pg 14) recommends 5 x 30 second sprints with 4:30 active recovery instead of LSD (That's Long Slow Distance, not the well known hippy drug)
Gary
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Post by MMX on Nov 1, 2012 11:07:52 GMT -5
Yes many tests have come to the same results.
Look at a Marathon Runner and a Sprinter? Which one do you want to look like?
I favor the sprinter.
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Post by tmd on Nov 1, 2012 11:14:07 GMT -5
Yes many tests have come to the same results. Look at a Marathon Runner and a Sprinter? Which one do you want to look like? I favor the sprinter. And which one would you NOT want to fight! |
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Post by GJEC on Nov 1, 2012 11:19:31 GMT -5
Where I live there's a path leading to the local 'Outwoods', about a 4 mile trip up and round and a nice walk on a sunny day. But I see joggers doing it every lunchtime, many with knee supports on and most looking like a corpse.  Speedplay has various times and efforts, that does for me, but if I want something more structured a few 400's is hard enough. Unlike the FF advice above though, I just 'go when I'm ready' rather than a defined rest period. If I feel good, it's quicker then as I tire I rest a little longer. The key is not to exhaust yourself, but finish feeling like you've done a quality session. (Just like Kb's)  Gary |
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Post by meguro on Nov 3, 2012 9:31:48 GMT -5
Interesting topic. I was reminded about the importance of "functional strength" just this week, clambering down 28 flights of stairs with about 80 pounds of baggage. Halfway down a nice firewoman offered to relieve me of one of the duffel bags and I was not too proud as to refuse her offer. She assured me she was up to the task as she was a member of the fire department, and this was what she did for a living-carry dead weight down ladders and stairs. Most of my day is spent sitting in front of a keyboard. I'd like to think that I have that kind of workingman strength, but honestly I don't, not the day in and day out kind that I can call on without taking rest days  . That said, I have been trying to structure my workouts around an idea of "functional." I like the c&j and sprint 400 benchmarks. The SSST is something I'd like to pass. It's a short term distraction that I believe worthwhile. I am also interested in body weight balance and strength poses (planche, handstands, flag). The latter don't have direct impact on fighting ability, but in terms health are decent metrics for weight control. |
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Post by GJEC on Nov 3, 2012 9:44:43 GMT -5
Glad to hear you got help and hope normality is back as soon as possible. The Fire Brigade requires a ready-for-anything kind of fitness as one day you might fight a flat fire (as your recent helper explained, lugging gear upstairs in full fire kit and breathing apparatus gets a bit sweaty) Another day you'll be digging out accident victims using cutting tools, another climbing tower cranes etc etc. It's no surprise Crossfit is popular in the FB as it closely resembles the job, in fact I know stations that use kit off the appliances to provide the resistance for their (modified) WOD's. But since I retired I've been looking for the trump cards. Instead of doing everything to be ready-for-anything, I've looked for a few key things that help everything else work better but still leave plenty in the tank. When I was working / competing I often felt so exhausted I'd eat anything and fall asleep anywhere. I can't live like that any more. Gary |
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Post by meguro on Nov 6, 2012 12:41:27 GMT -5
When I was working / competing I often felt so exhausted I'd eat anything and fall asleep anywhere. I can't live like that any more. I wonder if we are doing ourselves harm by training so hard that rest days become necessary. Perhaps a more moderate approach is best for quality of life. Sure progress might be slower, but we can avoid the down time from injuries or overtraining. |
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Post by MMX on Nov 6, 2012 13:19:52 GMT -5
Honestly Meguro I have not really had to take rest days out of over training. Mostly out of inconvenience/errands/lack of sleep.
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Post by meguro on Nov 6, 2012 13:27:05 GMT -5
Me neither, MMX. ;D I was using the "need for rest days" to represent the kind of training I don't do . . .anymore. I think we're pretty much aligned as far as training goes, like minds and all that.
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Post by GJEC on Nov 19, 2012 9:11:25 GMT -5
This is the only Karate forum I post on now, but I sometimes browse others. Training logs interest me. There's one particular chap who is constantly on the go yet after every tournament he's in a world of gloom as he either ran out of steam or got smashed to bits. He vows to be 'better' prepared next time and increases his training ... It's the wrong way. The goal of supplementary training is to first strengthen the weak links then give us an advantage over an opponent with a similar skill set. Everything else is just tiring us out. Ran out of steam? Add some hard intervals, but not too many! Got smashed around? Get stronger. It's not rocket science.  Gary |
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Post by meguro on Nov 19, 2012 9:30:36 GMT -5
Good observation, Gary. Workout logs should have a mission statement, it's a simple way to keep the training on track.
The first hand info in our logs is pretty valuable if one chose to sift through everything. Perhaps by using keywords or by creating specific threads, we can organize the data so that anyone searching for "stamina workouts" or "shoulder mobility" can get right to it.
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Post by GJEC on Dec 14, 2012 5:29:16 GMT -5
It's all too easy to dismiss things like "How bad do you want it?" as rather corny in-yer-face motivational (?) stuff, but there's more than a bit of relevance. 'Willpower' works best when something lights the fire. In 1980 I was knocked down for Ippon by a man literally twice as strong as me. It was a real blow (no pun intended) to my pride as it happened in front of 4000 people ... After that, the will to get stronger was never an issue. Of course, it could've worked the other way. I could've thought "F*** that" and never entered again. I can't explain why it went the right way for me while others took the easy route, it's certainly not because I consider myself any 'better' or 'mentally tougher' etc. Maybe I'm just more stubborn (or stupid) By contrast I've tried other stuff in my life, done it badly or not enjoyed it (golf being the best example but RBSD comes a close second) and thought 'never again'. Maybe for those activities - for me - that saying is exactly right. I didn't want them badly enough. Gary EDIT: Willpower is the motivation. Self-discipline is the control to not do too much. They've got to work together ... |
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. That said, I have been trying to structure my workouts around an idea of "functional." I like the c&j and sprint 400 benchmarks. The SSST is something I'd like to pass. It's a short term distraction that I believe worthwhile. I am also interested in body weight balance and strength poses (planche, handstands, flag). The latter don't have direct impact on fighting ability, but in terms health are decent metrics for weight control.
