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Post by walshy on Mar 16, 2011 8:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks Wullie! Thats not to say that i'm not disapointed about missing the next grading, but there is no rush. This year is going to be a difficult one, my wife is going to have to have a couple of operations so any karate plans will have to wait. All being well next year i've got an eye on a few things
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Post by MMX on Mar 16, 2011 11:24:46 GMT -5
Exactly Walshy.
That is the difference.
Others want the grade without the effort...
Osu!
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 16, 2011 11:44:31 GMT -5
When I was a teen I was a bit obsessed with training and martial arts...even making it a priority before academics (so stupid). My Dad used to tell me: "you'll always have karate but you have to make time for life". Simple advice, or so it seems but it took me many years before I realized what it really meant. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20... Osu!
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Post by ironcastknight on Mar 16, 2011 12:50:54 GMT -5
You know what I, as a student, absolutely hate? Dojo that can't decide if they want to be hard or soft, easy or difficult, wax on wax off krotty or knockdown karate. To quote something that sums up my feelings fairly well, "So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth."
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Post by alan on Mar 17, 2011 5:16:11 GMT -5
Thanks Wullie! Thats not to say that i'm not disapointed about missing the next grading, but there is no rush. This year is going to be a difficult one, my wife is going to have to have a couple of operations so any karate plans will have to wait. All being well next year i've got an eye on a few things Osu Walshy! doesn`t matter mate, sometimes you need a bit of time to say, "wow!" to yourself, have i really achieved that, then plan the rest of your journey. anyway, as you know i stayed 3rd kyu for five years while training regulary....great fun dropping people with gold on their belt who give it large, when they underestimate you!
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Post by GJEC on Mar 17, 2011 6:45:44 GMT -5
You know what I, as a student, absolutely hate? Dojo that can't decide if they want to be hard or soft, easy or difficult, wax on wax off krotty or knockdown karate. To quote something that sums up my feelings fairly well, "So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth." Interesting thoughts. How do you feel clubs of mixed ages and abilities SHOULD operate? Too hard all the time and beginners are put off, too easy and the high grades drift away ... I find the only way to keep things balanced is to cycle the training, which means some sessions are balls out sweatfests while some will be slower and more technical. Gary
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Post by monty on Mar 17, 2011 7:51:37 GMT -5
I find the only way to keep things balanced is to cycle the training, which means some sessions are balls out sweatfests while some will be slower and more technical. Gary Refering back to the Chamberlain English Dictionary.... Some are Balls out Sweat-fests and some are Really Really Hard
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Post by GJEC on Mar 17, 2011 8:18:06 GMT -5
Refering back to the Chamberlain English Dictionary.... Some are Balls out Sweat-fests and some are Really Really Hard ;D ;D
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Post by ironcastknight on Mar 17, 2011 10:59:20 GMT -5
I'd prefer a dojo that's intensive but forgiving, consistently setting the bar high so the students have a clear goal that's obtainable but difficult to get to, without the propensity to get bent out of shape when students fail to perform. That's how Guam Kyokushin did it, and it seemed to do pretty well for their ranks.
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Post by GJEC on Mar 17, 2011 11:12:13 GMT -5
That's fair enough. Not always easy to deliver though at an intensity that suits everyone. One of my bugbears, as an instructor, is the ones who turn up rarely and give minimal effort, yet expect me to run the session so they can 'catch up' when they come.
Gary
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 17, 2011 11:15:33 GMT -5
I'd prefer a dojo that's intensive but forgiving, consistently setting the bar high so the students have a clear goal that's obtainable but difficult to get to, without the propensity to get bent out of shape when students fail to perform. That's how Guam Kyokushin did it, and it seemed to do pretty well for their ranks. Can you tell me more about Guam Kyokushin? I plan on visiting Guam in the next year or so (gf is from there) and I know she knows one of the yudansha but she knows nothing of the dojo. I was hoping to stop in and train a few times at least while I'm there. Osu!
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Post by ironcastknight on Mar 17, 2011 12:42:47 GMT -5
One of my bugbears, as an instructor, is the ones who turn up rarely and give minimal effort, yet expect me to run the session so they can 'catch up' when they come. Is it honestly even worth dragging down the dedicated students for the benefit of someone who can't be assed to show up for class most of the time, can't be assed to put in the effort when they do, and then expects special treatment when their royalship deigns to grace your dojo with their exalted presence? Admittedly, I haven't been training Enshin all that consistently for the past half year for... various reasons, but when I do show up I give it my all, stick around after class to train extra, and never complain that everyone else isn't considering my poor delicate feelings by not dropping the training to a snails pace .
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Post by GJEC on Mar 17, 2011 12:54:06 GMT -5
One of my bugbears, as an instructor, is the ones who turn up rarely and give minimal effort, yet expect me to run the session so they can 'catch up' when they come. Is it honestly even worth dragging down the dedicated students for the benefit of someone who can't be assed to show up for class most of the time, can't be assed to put in the effort when they do, and then expects special treatment when their royalship deigns to grace your dojo with their exalted presence? Admittedly, I haven't been training Enshin all that consistently for the past half year for... various reasons, but when I do show up I give it my all, stick around after class to train extra, and never complain that everyone else isn't considering my poor delicate feelings by not dropping the training to a snails pace . Sounds like something you need to talk to your instructor about. I rarely drop the pace or change things but - as in all things - you have to have a common sense approach. Just as you can't run classes for the lazy you can't just run them for the strong either. If I look at my dojo there's a hardcore of about 10 so if I rejected the others I'd struggle to make the rent ... Also, some of the tough guys with the right attitude get injured and can't train at 100%, and lazy ones sometimes get a good kicking and decide to work harder so it never happens again. It's never dead simple. Good coaching is much harder than just training Gary
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 17, 2011 16:24:04 GMT -5
Have some exalt, Gary . Very well said, only thing I can add to this is there are different coaching methods each with their own pros and cons. It's hard to teach a class at a dedicated "fighter's" intensity when you primarily have the every once in a while hobbyist show up. I say that because I've been in that scenario before and it was near impossible to strike any interest for them to really push themselves. Thankfully I've only been in that scenario once. Osu!
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Post by GJEC on Mar 17, 2011 16:48:02 GMT -5
Thanks Po1!
Gary
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