wullie
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Post by wullie on May 20, 2011 3:09:59 GMT -5
Havamal-
Gary is right, try what he has suggested!
IMO all the meditive stuff may be like practicing at the rifle range BUT is about as effective as leaving your bullets at home. To me these classes are designed to tap in to the part of us that wants the movie stuff to be real and seperate us from our hard earned cash. You mentioned life and death karate training, how many life and death situations have you had to use that training in? Theres a lot of folk on here that have been in a few such situations and are trying to help you!
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Post by havamal on May 20, 2011 10:36:52 GMT -5
Havamal- Gary is right, try what he has suggested! IMO all the meditive stuff may be like practicing at the rifle range BUT is about as effective as leaving your bullets at home. To me these classes are designed to tap in to the part of us that wants the movie stuff to be real and seperate us from our hard earned cash. You mentioned life and death karate training, how many life and death situations have you had to use that training in? Theres a lot of folk on here that have been in a few such situations and are trying to help you! Agreed that Gary is right. I focus 100%, that's now available 3/week, on the MMA karate dojo as the core of my training. Then add the rest, if there's time. The purpose of karate training is for all life-and-death situations, not for medals, trophies, or prizes. Once this is clear then competition can be helpful in improving reaction timing, but it's a side show to help improve or to make money. The zendo's training based on donations: Zazen training supplements real karate. The modern Japanese Zen master, Hakuun Ryōko Yasutani says: "Shikantaza [arising from zazen medition] is the mind of someone facing death. Let us imagine that you are engaged in a duel of swordsmanship of the kind that used to take place in ancient Japan. As you face your opponent you are unceasingly watchful, set, ready. Were you to relax your vigilance even momentarily, you would be cut down instantly. A crowd gathers to see the fight. Since you are not blind you see them from the corner of your eye, and since you are not deaf you hear them. But not for an instant is your mind captured by these impressions." (Introductory Lectures on Zen Training, Kapleau)Now replace the above sword with your fists, stick, knife, or .45 pistol (examples of contemporary weapons), but do hone that "killer" mindset. These discussions have been helful: Thank you. Osu.
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Post by wullie on May 20, 2011 12:41:44 GMT -5
most life or death situations arise in the blink of an eye with no time to prepare yourself the way you would have with a duel.
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Post by GJEC on May 20, 2011 13:11:28 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know how many life and death situations Hakuun Ryôko Yasutani has been in. If the answer - as I suspect - is zero, why put so much faith in him?
I wouldn't take swimming lessons from anyone who'd never dived in and almost laughed out loud when the priest who was going to marry us talked about making love.
Why do we take on board stuff from people who've never been there or done the deed? Now that's something REALLY worth pondering on ...
Gary
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Post by havamal on May 20, 2011 13:14:39 GMT -5
most life or death situations arise in the blink of an eye with no time to prepare yourself the way you would have with a duel. Exactly, wullie. That story merely illustrated a concept of the martial mindset. Miyamoto Musashi (宮本 武蔵, c. 1584 – June 13, 1645), would be a better example of the mind training to supplement the physical training. Granted, there' no need for that training as cops, USMC, and such do fine, but I usually do not carry around a magazine full of bullets nor have a team to back me up. I want that classical mind training to improve my awareness and get the most out of each moment. When sparring, helps me to clear my mind of ego & fear and 'get it on.' Also, I've noticed I am more effective of a listener and communicator. Not that it's my intent, but I also feel people are me take me more seriously as an effective martial artist, but I could be kidding (deluding) myself. One thing is clear: There's no substitute to knockdown karate (and full-contact jiujitsu) training: karate is half-physical and half-mental. Each to his own. Again, thank you both, for commenting. Osu.
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Post by wullie on May 20, 2011 13:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by havamal on May 20, 2011 13:37:53 GMT -5
hah hah that cracked me up good.
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Post by GJEC on May 20, 2011 14:20:57 GMT -5
If you want a realistic mindset for self-defence I can't beat Mick Coup's four golden rules:
1: Turn the nice guy off 2: Aim to put their lights out 3: Go like F*** 4: Do not give up
That's practical and 21C tested.
It's your call but I think you're dreaming if you think a 16C samurai mindset works in the 21C. Everything else has changed, especially the nature of HAOV
Gary
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Post by havamal on May 20, 2011 15:50:25 GMT -5
wully and GJEC and I are in agreement...
...except that I spend a few hours (six days @ 40 minutes) a week, that otherwise would have gone to recreational activities, towards zen meditation, either at home or at the zendo.
I already train enough hours physically, so those are my active 'rest' times. For the times I train I will increase the intensity and decrease or drop the 'weaker' karate dojo time, as learning 12 kata in three years is enough for me as i rather get better then learn for kata at this point: i could careless what color belt I wear just as long as I'm allowed in the sparring classes.
I do not want to be a martial artist that merely talks the talk, but can't walk the walk
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Post by wullie on May 22, 2011 4:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by havamal on May 23, 2011 9:41:33 GMT -5
yes, thanks. I'm a fan of Iain Abernathy. Osu
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Post by havamal on Jan 4, 2013 11:40:33 GMT -5
I understand MMA-karate, judo, physical fitness, and zazen...the rest I don't know. gave up on my local aikido a while ago: it's not for me.
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Post by havamal on Jan 4, 2013 11:56:42 GMT -5
hey Gary,
that's good advice: "...Commit yourself to the hardest style you currently practise and give it 100% for a month. No excuses, turn up at every session and give it your best..."
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Post by GJEC on Jan 4, 2013 16:07:46 GMT -5
Thanks havamal
I get asked quite a lot now "is that all you teach?" as I've cut virtually everything ineffective from the sessions.
My answer is "Yes. But you've got to be really good at it"
I've found that (for myself) a focussed approach works better, hence the "just do the hardest thing" advice.
Gary
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Post by powerof0ne on Jan 5, 2013 14:09:04 GMT -5
I've been in a few situations and for me, it's literally been a gamble. I went with a plan, it worked out enough for me to still be here.
Days, weeks, months, and years later I've analyzed those situations and came up with better ways I could have handled them....but like Wullie said, they happen so quick, you don't have that luxury.
I'm very against at how many Aiki schools train, because they train too much in certain scenarios with too much compliance! I'm not the best fighter on the planet, but this much I do know to be true, focus more on non-compliance and sponataneity!!! Sure, you should focus a bit on some set scenarios, but there comes a time when you need to test them in more REALISTIC scenarios.
A female I've known since high school has wanted me to teach her for years now...but she's under the impression I can just teach her in an hour or two, and that's all she needs to know. I told her it takes years, and I don't have the time to teach her...she got mad and told me: "I just want to learn how to break #$@!" I told her I'll never teach her and already told a student of mine who knows her, not to, too. I teach all the shortcuts I can teach, but it still takes years. Osu!
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