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Post by curlbroscience on May 24, 2011 13:02:41 GMT -5
Skarbowsky demonstrates a modified Muay Thai kick to score points and avoid the catch counter.
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Post by MMX on May 24, 2011 15:16:20 GMT -5
Interesting. Thanks for sharing that one.  |
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Post by curlbroscience on May 24, 2011 15:35:45 GMT -5
Skarbowsky was featured on the Ultimate Fighter GSP vs. Koscheck.
I believe the last little bit is Skarbowsky vs. Buakaw
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Post by wullie on May 24, 2011 16:07:54 GMT -5
one thing i never understood about MT is why they grab the leg as it hits, why take the shot on the ribs in the first place?
the couple of times i've sparred with MT guys, when we've been going light they can grab my leg but when we stepped it up it hurt them too much to get the grab in.
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Post by powerof0ne on May 25, 2011 15:08:22 GMT -5
one thing i never understood about MT is why they grab the leg as it hits, why take the shot on the ribs in the first place? the couple of times i've sparred with MT guys, when we've been going light they can grab my leg but when we stepped it up it hurt them too much to get the grab in. You're supposed to move away and then catch it. You do it kind of fluid though, it's about timing. However, many "MT" gyms don't teach the step/slide away footwork. The theory is the range of the roundhouse only has so much power for so long. So if you slide away (not towards or just stand there!) the power isn't there anymore then you catch it. The problem is the guys you sparred I'm guessing didn't slide/step out of the "power" of your kick. They just stood there or moved inside to catch it LOL. The students I now teach were taught to just move in and catch it...wrong. I had to correct them and show them why. There is a much harder way of moving forward before the kick reaches you to take somebody down but the timing on it is very tricky and it doesn't really involve catching the dtae/roundhouse. The problem I see in this video is the way he's throwing the kick doesn't seem like it's that powerful of a roundhouse. Like he's not rotating the hip to really get that shin into the ribs. However, for that way of kicking and pulling it back I think it's a neat way I'll add and teach to my toolbox but it's not for delivering a powerful roundhouse IMHO. In the video below you'll see the demonstrator step/slide from the power as he catches the kick. He even subtly says "step and muffle catch" or something along those lines at one point. I really need to start making some videos of my own... Wullie, if these MT guys you sparred weren't stepping away and just stood their ground or even moved into the power of your kick and then catching your kick I 110% agree with you, not smart at all! I would not want to do that against a roundhouse by somebody your size or my size. It's a good way to get your ribs broken. Osu! |
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Post by curlbroscience on May 25, 2011 16:43:49 GMT -5
Looking forward to that!
I think the problem with friendly sparring is that the power and speed of a kick is not fully realized. So lazy kick catching habits can be easy to pick up.
It appears that he is showing this retraction of the foot for scoring points and avoid the leg catch. I thought kicks in muay thai above the waist were scored based on moving the opponet's body and/or getting some type of pain reaction instead of just landing a kick.
I am still trying to figure out MT scoring.
Could be me though
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Post by MMX on May 25, 2011 16:57:09 GMT -5
My Sensei teaches us this but we step into and follow the rotation of the kick. It decreases the power and allows you to easily "dump" them with minimal effort.
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Post by wullie on May 25, 2011 17:16:03 GMT -5
yeah i reckon they weren't stepping away from the kick, i try to through my roundhouses with my shin and not the foot anyway so they travel through a wee bit more than just with the foot.
i teach a leg catch, but on the meat of the arm while sliding inside the kick, to me better to have a dead arm than burst ribs. i'll do a video of it if you want.
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Post by powerof0ne on May 25, 2011 18:03:04 GMT -5
yeah i reckon they weren't stepping away from the kick, i try to through my roundhouses with my shin and not the foot anyway so they travel through a wee bit more than just with the foot. i teach a leg catch, but on the meat of the arm while sliding inside the kick, to me better to have a dead arm than burst ribs. i'll do a video of it if you want. Yup, I agree, busted ribs are the worst. Video would be cool, Wullie . Osu! |
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Post by gotapex on May 25, 2011 20:34:46 GMT -5
Me too, I'd definitely watch it. |
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Post by wullie on May 29, 2011 9:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by MMX on May 29, 2011 10:40:58 GMT -5
Yeah that is pretty much the way we do it too Wullie.
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Post by curlbroscience on May 31, 2011 13:04:45 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing that Wullie.
We learned it that way too in kyokushin/shotokan karate. The way I was shown in Muay Thai is similar to the video displayed above by PO1.
I think that both have their strategies and I have seen fighters catch open with the intention of a quick sweep. Usually if they catch with the leg locked, they intend to follow up with strikes or driving the opponent against the ropes or corner.
Both are great ways to catch kicks. I think the common thing to remember is to move so that the brunt of the kick is not being absorbed when trying to catch. I always think of catching an egg thrown at me without crushing it. Sort of cradle the energy as it is coming.
Here is another video regarding different variations of catching kicks in Muay Thai and dumping.
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