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Post by meguro on Jul 30, 2011 9:54:29 GMT -5
On grabbing, next to ESP, it's the next best thing for knowing where your opponent will be and what he's planning to do. If you have a superior grip, you control the fight. This extends to preventing the drawing of a weapon or cocking a fist, setting up the head butt, spinning the opponent off the line, etc. Of course, grabbing your opponent puts you close enough to be grabbed yourself, thus opening up the fight to grappling. Still, if you can utilize a superior grip at the early stages and end it, you'll be home in time for supper. I reckon we will agree to disagree on this, grabing with one hand leaves you with one free hand to hit/defend with. Unless you can control both of the other persons arms he can still strike/pull a weapon. In clinch they can still headbut and bite. In a 'real' situation I always assume that the opponent/opponents know how to fight dirty that way you dont get so many nasty surprises. Like the old saying goes " Plan for the worst, hope for the best". We are drawn to our strengths. While it's true that the arms that are doing the grabbing cannot be used for striking, they can be used for gaining a favorable position (thanks for clarifying this point, po1), ie. one where the opponent's strengths are nullified and yours advantaged. The opponent's free hands pose less of a hazard when you are beside, behind or above him, basically sabaki. If only one hand is grabbing and the other limbs striking, well that's practically Ashihara, Enshin or ice hockey. If both fighters are, by coincidence or plan, grabbing each other's arms to prevent striking, the situation is very similar to Judo. ;D
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Post by wullie on Jul 30, 2011 9:55:11 GMT -5
I reckon we will agree to disagree on this, grabing with one hand leaves you with one free hand to hit/defend with. Unless you can control both of the other persons arms he can still strike/pull a weapon. In clinch they can still headbut and bite. In a 'real' situation I always assume that the opponent/opponents know how to fight dirty that way you dont get so many nasty surprises. Like the old saying goes " Plan for the worst, hope for the best". Surprised you and I disagree on something Wullie It's like clinching and kneeing...it's very hard to "block" knees. Your defense is your offense. Your defense is having superior grabbing/clinching skills. Osu! Even with superior clinch/grappling skills while you are tangled with one guy you have left yourself open to others (like the guy in my original post that got ko'd by the girl), I again always make the assumption its not going to be a 'fair' fight so do my upmost to limit possible harm to myself.
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Post by GJEC on Jul 30, 2011 12:26:00 GMT -5
Did I mention I don't train for fair fights any more ...?
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 30, 2011 18:22:31 GMT -5
When I'm grabbing or clinching somebody I do so to maximize my strikes and to sometimes use gravity to aid in a throw and takedown along with a strike . I'm a nice guy, I swear . I've been focusing on these methods for the last 12 years and feel pretty confident in them and spend a great deal of teaching these sort of methods. I want anybody that trains with me to be able to use what I teach them "on the streets." However, even though we agree to disagree I like the fact we can all have a reasonable discussion about such topics without getting crazy about it. I believe with further discussion we could probably come to some agreements . It also depends on the situation I'm in. If it's 3+ people I'm not going to be doing a lot of clinching and grabbing unless I really have to. One on one, I'm going to grab n' bash and/or clinch! Osu!
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Post by GJEC on Jul 31, 2011 1:56:19 GMT -5
Surprised no one's mentioned walls.
One trick I've used quite successfully is to crash people into them, which requires a degree of body / head control and propulsion that's best done by grabbing / pulling / pushing.
Not exactly Queensbury but very effective. Walls never miss.
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Post by fatjoe on Jul 31, 2011 10:59:16 GMT -5
Surprised no one's mentioned walls. One trick I've used quite successfully is to crash people into them, which requires a degree of body / head control and propulsion that's best done by grabbing / pulling / pushing. Not exactly Queensbury but very effective. Walls never miss. Gary Good point Gary, Likewise, automobiles and other obstacles. Learning how to grab and push/pull to destabilize your opponent is one of the most valuable tools you can have when you are grabbed by surprise.
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 31, 2011 15:18:11 GMT -5
Surprised no one's mentioned walls. One trick I've used quite successfully is to crash people into them, which requires a degree of body / head control and propulsion that's best done by grabbing / pulling / pushing. Not exactly Queensbury but very effective. Walls never miss. Gary I can't remember the Man's name, but I remember reading about somebody in the UK that teaches seminars with a great deal of what he teaches, focuses on slamming people into walls. Osu!
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Post by hokuto12 on Apr 20, 2012 6:34:51 GMT -5
Was reading a book written by Rory Miller who I believed summed it up when he wrote that the BJJ people came along and sold the story that 95% of all fights go to the ground. I have seen a lot of pub and street fights and majority maybe 95% of them haven't gone to the ground. He then said that maybe 95% of all fights involving BJJ people go to the ground.
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Post by MMX on Apr 20, 2012 11:21:20 GMT -5
Yeah that was based on some outdated statement by an LAPD officer from the 1970's Besides walls if you are indoors like in a bar situation I like to aim the opponents for the corners of tables and/or chairs. Use whatever is necessary to gain the advantage.
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Post by meguro on Apr 20, 2012 13:55:59 GMT -5
Yeah that was based on some outdated statement by an LAPD officer from the 1970's Besides walls if you are indoors like in a bar situation I like to aim the opponents for the corners of tables and/or chairs. Use whatever is necessary to gain the advantage. Bas Rutten has a great video on bar room sp!
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