GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Feb 19, 2012 4:48:14 GMT -5
Charles Kingsley (1819 - 1875) Wrote:
“Through sport boys can acquire virtues which no book can give them. Not merely daring and endurance but better still temper, self-restraint, fairness, honour, unenvying approbation of another’s success and all that give and take of life which stands a man in good stead when he goes forth into the world.”
I can think of two British boxers that ought to be writing that out a few times. Following a brawl at a press conference I just wonder when that sense of fair play and honour was lost in the 'Noble' art.
It's not just boxing though. Most sports now seem to be about 'what you can get away with' and cheating - through drugs, bribery or deceit - often seems the only way to win.
I hope that KD can continue to hold it's head up. No silly talk, no bending the rules, no bribery and corruption, just two well-trained and highly motivated volunteers giving and taking blows to find out who's the strongest. That's the kind of sport Kingsley described.
Long may it continue.
Gary
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Post by powerof0ne on Feb 19, 2012 12:25:34 GMT -5
Charles Kingsley (1819 - 1875) Wrote: “Through sport boys can acquire virtues which no book can give them. Not merely daring and endurance but better still temper, self-restraint, fairness, honour, unenvying approbation of another’s success and all that give and take of life which stands a man in good stead when he goes forth into the world.” I can think of two British boxers that ought to be writing that out a few times. Following a brawl at a press conference I just wonder when that sense of fair play and honour was lost in the 'Noble' art. It's not just boxing though. Most sports now seem to be about 'what you can get away with' and cheating - through drugs, bribery or deceit - often seems the only way to win. I hope that KD can continue to hold it's head up. No silly talk, no bending the rules, no bribery and corruption, just two well-trained and highly motivated volunteers giving and taking blows to find out who's the strongest. That's the kind of sport Kingsley described. Long may it continue. Gary This is one of the reasons why I prefer knockdown tournaments' sportsmanship over MMA/Kickboxing cards. Not everyone at a MMA/Kickboxing card is bad, but there is ALWAYS some knob at EVERY one I have ever been to. Fighter and/or audience member...at a knockdown tournament most of the people are very respectful, it's more uncommon for me to see bad behavior in fighter and audience at a knockdown tournament. The card I had Israel fight at (Seattle was there), a female fighter with a bad attitude before the fight got a worst attitude when she was losing the fight. This resulted in others acting volatile towards her trainer and her...her trainer gets into it with somebody yelling at him (another female in the audience who's the wife of a gym owner) and punches the female! This erupted in a very ugly scene, to say the least. The female that got punched wasn't innocent, but no reason to punch her. Now, I was backstage when this happened, but put the pieces together by everyone I heard what happened from (including Seattle). Now, punching of Women by Men, that's a "new one," but what I'm saying is for some stupid reason mma/kickboxing cards have some shitty attitudes by some. I feel like I should have a custom shirt made that says, "I'm a trainer, I broke my pelvis while serving in special forces in the military, my fight days are over, please stop staring at me, like you want to fight me." Seriously, I got a shitty attitude by the head ref at the fighter's meeting for asking him a serious question. The attitude he gave me back in front of everybody was so rude that I would have asked him to step outside if I wasn't there for somebody else. At a knockdown tournament, a karate tournament period, I have never encountered any of this. Osu!
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Post by tmd on Feb 20, 2012 5:33:52 GMT -5
The feedback we got in Scotland was interesting from the MMA guys, nothing but respect for our 'Kyokushin values'.
What people see they imitate and this kind of poor sportsmanship from the top will only ever filter down to events where the security ain't as good and brawls will happen...these guys need to come out today and publically apologise, I think they have MAXED OUT what was started by Ali as banter and moved on to event hyping and return to the honest to god values their sport was built on.
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Post by Ros on Feb 21, 2012 5:48:22 GMT -5
I think they have MAXED OUT what was started by Ali as banter and moved on to event hyping and return to the honest to god values their sport was built on. I don't like to hear anyone slating their opponent, It's all ego-driven nonsense. I prefer to see some quiet dignity and respect for one's opponent. As for this behaviour, you're right it's shameful.
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Post by GJEC on May 31, 2014 5:30:43 GMT -5
And here we go again with Froch v Groves 2. Do your talking in the ring gents, that's where it counts.
Capacity crowd, biggest fight since the war. It needs no further sexing up.
Gary
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Post by senshido on Jun 2, 2014 5:09:55 GMT -5
I missed this thread first time round... yep, I'm glad WE do it the way we do!
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Post by noahh on Sept 19, 2014 19:09:09 GMT -5
Do you think the MMA behaviour is a product of the "Mixed" factor. Fighters moving from one instructor to another never getting that grounding in etiquette? This practice also feeds bad behaviour in the instructors, either they don't invest in them because they know they are transient, or to keep them coming and paying fees they indulge them. Sometimes it seems like the coach fighter relationship for MMA fighters is quite tenuous.
I have never liked the smack talking that precedes boxing matches. TMD is right Ali has a lot to answer for there, he quite literally deconstructed "Joe Frazier" in his community and his own mind. The fact that a seasoned boxer like Joe took it so much to heart (even years later) suggests it wasn't normal practice prior to that.
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