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Post by tmd on Sept 22, 2012 8:56:52 GMT -5
I have read the problem with MMA thread with a lot of interest. I don't get to see much live but there is no doubt that UFC is currently popular and that there are a number of Pro and amatur events throught the World although mainly in the US. Mostly I see it as an American export especially as the UFC is so "USA, USA!" bias but I like it, I enjoy it more than boxing and would like to see it grow as both a pro & amuture sport - even the amatur verison being the future of the martial arts in the Olympics. But there is soooooooo much BS that goes with it. from the "all fights go to the ground" mantra to "if it ain't MMA it's not a practical martial art". there's massive disrepect for the non MMA combat sports and martial arts in general (as if they have forgotten what MMA stands for ) it's like they think they have discovered something new, unique and unbeatable and that just ain't so. TBH I am not talking about the high level fighters, they are what they are - warriors with proven skills and a the kind of dedication and drive few can even understand. Take people who do knockdown and Muay Thai - in the main (there are always exceptions) both have enourmous respect for each other and don't say we'll coz I do this I'd win in a street fight or coz they don't do that what they do is pointless. So if MMA implodes what will rise in its place?
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Post by senshido on Sept 22, 2012 10:12:18 GMT -5
I would love to see knockdown on the bigger stage, if we could only get some decent exposure of a big event it could gain a fan base, just like K1 did a few years ago when it started... I'll keep dreaming
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Post by MMX on Sept 22, 2012 11:53:51 GMT -5
There is no doubt that MMA is a skill base that is amazing. My problem is watching ground fighting is not as exciting as Standup work. I would rather watch K-1/Kickboxing/Knockdown/Boxing/or regular Judo.
That is just me though.
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Post by tmd on Sept 23, 2012 2:55:24 GMT -5
I would love to see knockdown on the bigger stage, if we could only get some decent exposure of a big event it could gain a fan base, just like K1 did a few years ago when it started... I'll keep dreaming Obv I'd love this too but I don't think there are enough high quality fighters to sustain any peak in interest, for example - next years IFK World Champs, would be great to have that televised but if there was then an appetite for it would the rest of the UK tournaments (all 4-5 of them?) live up to a general audiences expectation? I'm just not sure, I have some ideas though
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Post by powerof0ne on Sept 23, 2012 18:35:05 GMT -5
I like watching ne waza, ground fighting, but I don't like many of the fan attitudes, and even some of the fighters. WWE is a show, but there are some fighters in the pro level of MMA that try to live out some obnoxious WWE type persona in real life, I know, I have seen it in person. I'd love to name names, I really would, but I'll be a bigger Man about it. Some of you close to me, may know one individual who's fought in the UFC off and on that I've never liked personally. However, that's life, some people are jerks, but there comes a time when "pro fighters" that do crap like try to hit on a Man's girlfriend in front of the Man, and than try to beat up this Man, thinking they'll than go home with the girlfriend, should be banned from fighting. I know two pro fighters that used to be notorious for doing this on a regular basis not far from Seattle. Funny thing is, one of these fighters thought he had it in the bag, ended up challenging a guy that never fought in the ring, this guy knocked him out cold . Straight out of a movie, I tell ya'! If there were guys doing stuff like this in knockdown karate, they would be banned from dojos...possibly from the org, and tournaments, those type of repercussions only exist in pro MMA if actions reach national/international news, just so that org. can try to save face...because, it's all about $$$. With that being said there are still just many, if not more, great people involved in MMA, just that the percentage of bad seeds only egg on some of the fans acting even more obnoxious. As I've said a few times, I often feel that I'm somewhere in "between" knockdown tournaments, kickboxing/Muay Thai, and MMA...that I some times feel that I belong to one, and other times, feel something is out of wack. For myself, I just do what I enjoy, train in anything I want, that is effective, and pass it on to those that want to learn from me. Life is too short, to keep reminiscing about "the old days," when there is no way to go back in time....that I know of . Osu!
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Post by italiantank on Sept 24, 2012 9:45:19 GMT -5
Zuffa, parent co. that owns UFC, has monopolized the sport here in the US and is trying to do it overseas as well. You have Dana on TUF talking like he's a bad ass and so these younger fighters start acting like jerks to say the least. They are giving this sport a bad image. As for the rules with the Laying and Praying, they should implement a yellow card for stalling like in Japan. The yellow card would deduct I think 10% of the fighters purse. Or maybe a time limit on the ground before the Ref stands them up. @powerofone, I know the fighter you speak of. He is a friend and former training partner of mine. He's actually a real cool guy, but I think at that time when the situation occurred, he had been partying. He regrets everything about that situation. The fight is actually on his record. That's Karma. Hopefully K-1 in the US takes off. I would like to see Knockdown become more popular. I like events like Pro Karate in France, where they have takedowns but only for a few seconds and its mostly stand up. I think this can be popular. It really all comes down to money and who has the most to market the promotion. osu
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Post by powerof0ne on Sept 25, 2012 1:19:10 GMT -5
Zuffa, parent co. that owns UFC, has monopolized the sport here in the US and is trying to do it overseas as well. You have Dana on TUF talking like he's a bad ass and so these younger fighters start acting like jerks to say the least. They are giving this sport a bad image. As for the rules with the Laying and Praying, they should implement a yellow card for stalling like in Japan. The yellow card would deduct I think 10% of the fighters purse. Or maybe a time limit on the ground before the Ref stands them up. @powerofone, I know the fighter you speak of. He is a friend and former training partner of mine. He's actually a real cool guy, but I think at that time when the situation occurred, he had been partying. He regrets everything about that situation. The fight is actually on his record. That's Karma. Hopefully K-1 in the US takes off. I would like to see Knockdown become more popular. I like events like Pro Karate in France, where they have takedowns but only for a few seconds and its mostly stand up. I think this can be popular. It really all comes down to money and who has the most to market the promotion. osu Good to hear he regrets it, somebody else he was hanging out at the time has been the biggest douche, ever...and that's who I have issues with. Long story short, his old friend/training partner was supposed to do a Muay Thai fight with me, just days before the fight cancels to "puss coming out of his shins." This was after he talked a bunch of garbage, that he was going to beat me, oh well, that's in the past, but I know of others he's done similar things to. However, the guy I'm talking about is a great wrestler, just not a great Thaiboxer. Pleased to hear "B" has grown up . My brother almost ended up fighting him in a Muay Thai fight once...for my brother's 1st or 2nd fight, fortunately did a little research and didn't go through with it LOL. My borther's first fight was with Anthony Hamlett who already competed against guys like Royler Gracie a couple times...my brother beat Hamlett, but it was on a Dennis Hallman card, so Hamlett got the decision, "rad." I'm saying this unbiased, hopefully I can get the fight on youtube some time. Well, there I go again, rambling off. Osu!
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Post by italiantank on Sept 26, 2012 15:08:42 GMT -5
Its seems that some mma fighters with wrestling backgrounds tend to be more douchier than others. The fighters with a Martial Arts seem to be more respectful or maybe it has to do with their upbringing. I know all about Hallman.
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Post by doug on Sept 26, 2012 16:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah I do not understand the attitude of some fans of ufc being the be all and end all of martial arts. Think alot of fans fail to understand it is alot of martial arts that is worked on just to enter that cage and fighters could come from any background.
It would be good for knockdown to be more recognised here in the uk - anyone I have ever showed videos of knockdown fighting or tournaments have always been amazed and from then on interested, they have just never heard or known about it before. Sad thing is the old local boxing club used to have their guys in fights and our local paper would be all over it. Whenever we or any of the other local guys send squads down the papers rarely would take anything to do with it. Maybe it is just the demographic but all our local paper seems to be interested in sports wise is shinty!
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Post by powerof0ne on Sept 27, 2012 1:57:35 GMT -5
Its seems that some mma fighters with wrestling backgrounds tend to be more douchier than others. The fighters with a Martial Arts seem to be more respectful or maybe it has to do with their upbringing. I know all about Hallman. I could spend hours talking about you know who, but I won't. I also do agree with you, does seem to be more often than not, when somebody's a douche in MMA, they often times come from a wrestling background. Not saying every wrestler that gets into MMA is this way, when guys like Randy Couture, Hendo, etc. seem to be class acts that I haven't heard much, if any bad talk about. Osu!
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Post by tmd on Sept 30, 2012 13:01:13 GMT -5
Maybe because Wrestling os a sport rather than an art? Could be why MMA is seen as a sport rather than something deeper whereas most people who go to knockdown tourny's do MA's so kinda get it more? I don't know...
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Post by powerof0ne on Sept 30, 2012 14:22:43 GMT -5
Maybe because Wrestling os a sport rather than an art? Could be why MMA is seen as a sport rather than something deeper whereas most people who go to knockdown tourny's do MA's so kinda get it more? I don't know... I'm starting to see a small growing trend of people showing up to knockdown tournaments now, in MMA shorts, saying they're an MMA club or school...and competing in knockdown karate. The funny thing is, they typically have attitudes that they're better than everybody else. The hilarious thing is, I have never heard of any of these clubs or schools that supposedly do MMA at any MMA fight cards, but they show up to a knockdown karate tournament?! LOL A friend that I talk to on a regular basis who's an instructor in another state, recently had somebody with an MMA background, and supposedly a purple belt in BJJ be offended that he wasn't allowed to wear his purple belt in Kyokushin.... I've met those in BJJ, or kickboxing with karate backgrounds, always wanting to bring up their karate rank, too. I don't understand the point of those that go into something else, but continually want to bring up or draw attention to the fact that they're supposodely skilled in something else? It seems to be a common thing among many douches in martial arts. Osu!
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Post by italiantank on Sept 30, 2012 15:22:34 GMT -5
If its a different martial art or system, he should definitely have to wear a white belt. I have a student that is a brown belt in Judo but he wears a blue belt in my BJJ class. Maybe it's an ego thing and it boosts their self esteem.
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Post by powerof0ne on Sept 30, 2012 15:48:19 GMT -5
If its a different martial art or system, he should definitely have to wear a white belt. I have a student that is a brown belt in Judo but he wears a blue belt in my BJJ class. Maybe it's an ego thing and it boosts their self esteem. I guess, it's still odd, and honestly, just stupid. Back on topic, I'm one of those weirdos that actually likes to watch good grapplers on the ground. What I don't like, are those that pull some type of guard as a stall tactic, repeatedly, over and over. To me, this is the same as what boxers like Camacho would do in boxing, constantly clinch up (which isn't legal in boxing) to stall and avoid damage. I do know that it's legal in MMA, but it should constitute as a warning, and if repeated enough, cause a point that is taken away. Maybe it does, now? I haven't been following MMA like I used to, and will be the first admit, I don't know the rules inside out anymore, as I'm sure you do, Italiantank. Osu!
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Post by italiantank on Sept 30, 2012 16:32:14 GMT -5
You're right. They should definitely get a warning. It definitely looks bad. Its still legal but if the fighter constantly does it because of fatigue then they'll get a warning and then a point deducted. I know Shinya Aoki or Vinny Maghalaes does it but it usually transitions into a submission or sweep. I always tell my guys to not pull guard in MMA or BJJ because you would never pull guard on the street. osu
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