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Post by havamal on Feb 1, 2013 9:55:13 GMT -5
check this out www.attackproof.com/the-myth-of-grappling-as-self-defense.htmlwarns to avoid ground-fighting... Reminders on fundamentals never gets boring: - The sportsman will benefit from weight training, to be sure. But the combatant needs weight training. - The proper attitude of the combatant is completely opposite that of the competitor. A combatant fights when he MUST. A competitor fights whenever he CAN. - there is no round two in a combative engagement! - Remember: No rules whatever in real world combat. {just consequences} land the first penetrating vital blow when you must. |
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Post by MMX on Feb 1, 2013 10:52:08 GMT -5
Link did not work but Exalt for good points on the subject.
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Post by havamal on Feb 1, 2013 11:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by powerof0ne on Feb 1, 2013 12:58:26 GMT -5
I haven't had to defend myself in a real situation in years besides scaring off a would be burglar with my laser sight off I my gun.
How I've changed since oblast got into altercations:
1. Rarely get drunk now.
2. I don't associate with known troublemakers anymore.
3. I don't go to house parties where I hardly know anyone anymore.
I fight dirtier than ever but I live a life that "coincidentally" has had me in far less real life situations.
If you have to fight, hit first and hit as dirty-damage inflicting as possible.
Advice my grandpa gave my dad who gave me about use of firearms. "Don't draw your gun, unless you have no other choice and mean to kill the person." I tweaked this for unarmed situations: don't threaten to attack the person, hit them first because you have no choice. Threatening a person lets them k is you're about to attack! Fight dirty so they do t suspect it!
Osu!
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Post by MMX on Feb 1, 2013 14:29:20 GMT -5
Yes I agree with that too Po1.
One thing I have learned from Karate is use Karate First but use Karate last.
Meaning, don't be in that situation in the first place,but if you end up in it then be prepared to do the worst.
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Post by meguro on Feb 1, 2013 18:32:49 GMT -5
Whatever it takes to get home. At my age it means staying home and ordering take-away. ;D
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Post by GJEC on Feb 13, 2013 16:19:46 GMT -5
"It doesn't work" I used to argue the toss and defend knockdown when some know-it-all told me all-fights-end-on-the-ground etc etc But now I realise that there are three types of people who say it: 1) People who believe everything they read on the internet. 2) People who trained but never reached the point where they could MAKE it work. (It doesn't happen on it's own you know) 3) People who are trying to sell you their 'better' method. I now choose not to debate with any of the above. In my experience, the skills work just fine if you train hard enough and get your mental side right. It's a constant work in progress. You may lose physical skills or you may lose confidence. I have lost both at various times over the years, but with effort you re-find them. The point is, it's a cyclical process. You never 'crack' it, so you keep training and keep those tools sharp.   Gary |
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Post by powerof0ne on Feb 13, 2013 16:29:25 GMT -5
Way too many variables are present for one solution, or one way.
In "classical karate" that I started out in, it's a one way or nothing approach, at least with everyone I trained with. The only good thing about this IMHO is a standardized form for everyone across the board which results in watching someone and being able to tell what style they train in (like the Shotokan nidan Ev out sparred who looked nothing like legit Shotokan). For me, this made no difference, I train(Ed) because I wanted to become better at being able to apply my karate in real situations and in kumite not look pretty.
The same is for sp/sd, many different ways to skin a cat for everybody.
Osu!
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Post by MMX on Feb 13, 2013 16:45:16 GMT -5
So true. There is no one way or best way to handle this. I think about the only thing you can do is have general physical preparedness and then also have some sort of hand to hand training. Obviously some will be better suited for certain situations than others. After all of that training I would hope you would be smart enough to not get involved if you don't have too.
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Post by wullie on Feb 13, 2013 20:12:59 GMT -5
i know plenty fancy stuff that i can and have made work but when the poop hits the fan a punch on the nose and a kick in the nuts still works best
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Post by meguro on Feb 14, 2013 8:04:25 GMT -5
i know plenty fancy stuff that i can and have made work but when the poop hits the fan a punch on the nose and a kick in the nuts still works best I would agree, but I believe this approach may only work if your attacker is the same size, or preferable smaller. If your attacker is larger, with a possible reach advantage, as well as surprise, you may find yourself against a wall, a hand around your throat, and about to get a pasting. If there were any situation to pull out special technique or hidden weapons then surely it ought to be when the odds are least in one's favor. In this scenario, as an example, if you can't punch the attacker in the nose because of said reach disadvantage, then knowing how to attack the body parts closest to you (eg. fingers, hand, wrist, elbow) might be useful. If said larger attacker picks you up and tosses you to the floor prior to a stomping, or falls down with you while in the process of knocking you down, some knowledge of groundfighting might come in handy. I think it impossible to account for every situation. At the same time, we should not be convincing ourselves that the unknown will visit us in a form we are comfortable with. Predators select prey based on a perceived advantage. If we are being preyed upon, then a conventional response might already have been factored in in the selection process. |
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Post by GJEC on Feb 14, 2013 10:08:48 GMT -5
"With laser-like focus, humans can do anything. And the easiest way to become laser-like? Just have minimal complications in the first place" - Robert Skinner Gary |
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Post by Ros on Feb 14, 2013 10:36:25 GMT -5
I would agree, but I believe this approach may only work if your attacker is the same size, or preferable smaller. That still works for Wullie! ;D |
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Post by wullie on Feb 14, 2013 13:22:05 GMT -5
I would agree, but I believe this approach may only work if your attacker is the same size, or preferable smaller. That still works for Wullie! ;D I have no idea what you mean Ros............  it never takes a hard hit to the nose to make the eyes water and shock the recipient giving you the chance to do other things (if you can't do the job in one shot) and if being held at arms length even by someone bigger your foot can still reach their nuts |
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Post by powerof0ne on Feb 16, 2013 19:48:29 GMT -5
Knocking on the wood of my coffee table, I have never been knocked out....unless you count the time I fell out of a window when I was 5 and cracked my skull open on the driveway and had to be "zapped back" while brain fluid came out of my ear.
I consider myself very fortunate, considering some of the situations I've been in...very fortunate. I don't stress that I'm some great fighter, because it doesn't matter how good you are.
Shit can go wrong, and sometimes does. Be it, some 18 year old punk with a knife that lunges for you or someone mugging you at gun point. I don't care if you practice gun or knife disarms, I've practiced them, too. To actually pull that stuff off in real life is very hard. I'm not saying to just give up..but I'm saying to keep it simple.
The one time I did a gun disarm was me closing the gap because I strongly suspected the individual had guns, I grabbed his wrists and kept them down while I took him to the ground. I did this so he couldn't get to his guns.
Later on that night, I didn't sleep and threw up a few times. This same person, coincidentally is now locked up for being high on meth for crashing into 3 cars on the freeway and trying to flee the scene by foot. Just found this out recently.
Keep it simple and avoid dangerous situations if you can.
Osu!
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