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Post by meguro on Mar 9, 2014 10:45:39 GMT -5
The point of this thread is to address hypothetical self defense situations, the what ifs. Maybe this idea has legs and continues, maybe it dies a miserable death. Here goes. Propose a scenario, something perhaps that has happened to you or are puzzling over, and invite others to comment. We will dispense with the obvious, such as, "you should not have gone out," or "better to walk/run away a live coward," and the eternal,"situational awareness, dude."
Scene 1*- You are surrounded by a gang of thieving children, who press up against you and try to pick your pockets and seal your belongings. No police or bystanders to assist.
I thought this scenario would be interesting because children make for challenging (legal, moral) adversaries, and in great numbers can overwhelm you.
* numbering helps in case this thread has legs
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Post by GJEC on Mar 9, 2014 14:14:19 GMT -5
The point of this thread is to address hypothetical self defense situations, the what ifs. Maybe this idea has legs and continues, maybe it dies a miserable death. Here goes. Propose a scenario, something perhaps that has happened to you or are puzzling over, and invite others to comment. We will dispense with the obvious, such as, "you should not have gone out," or "better to walk/run away a live coward," and the eternal,"situational awareness, dude." Scene 1*- You are surrounded by a gang of thieving children, who press up against you and try to pick your pockets and seal your belongings. No police or bystanders to assist. I thought this scenario would be interesting because children make for challenging (legal, moral) adversaries, and in great numbers can overwhelm you. * numbering helps in case this thread has legs Great thread. I haven't a clue what I'd do and that's why criminals use women and kids. Modern day Fagin's. If a bloke tried to rob me I have a very unpleasant plan but a woman or child? Couldn't do it. Big softy. Gary |
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Post by meguro on Mar 9, 2014 17:59:28 GMT -5
Modern day Fagins is right, saw a documentary on it, a culture of thievery. I may have told this story already, but my brother in law caught a pick- pocket with her hand in his coat pocket. He confronts her, they are on a bus, and she accuses him of molesting her. He was too flustered to mount a defense of his character, but at least he got to keep his wallet. Striking, it seems to me, is out of the question, but all those clutching hands. . .Maybe some lock flow training.
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Post by Ros on Mar 11, 2014 2:41:16 GMT -5
I can't imagine I'd have many qualms about lamping the little bastards.  |
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Post by meguro on Mar 11, 2014 15:18:12 GMT -5
Sure it sounds appealing. My luck a cop walks by right after and I now have all these juvenile witnesses against me.
In my University days I did find myself surrounded on all sides by a gang. Fortunately for me, an unmarked police cruiser had been tailing the muggers. They swept in too soon, ie. a crime hadn't been committed yet. The kids scattered when the cop car screeched to the curb. The cops were disappointed at their bad timing. I was dumb and lucky.
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Post by hokuto12 on Mar 12, 2014 20:20:37 GMT -5
I agree with Ros on this one (see Ros some things we do agree on) If it's a matter of me or them Me and my family wins hands down every time. I wouldn't hit the woman trying to mug me as hard as I would a man but I would hit her hard enough for her to think twice about choosing me and find an easier target.
I had a friend who was travelling in NYC with her family when she was younger. They were approached by a small group of kids that tried to steal anything and everything they could from them. The Dad didn't take to well to it and fought them off. The kids left with possible breaks and bruises.
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Post by meguro on Mar 13, 2014 4:04:42 GMT -5
Anybody regularly train no traditional strikes? I am thinking palm heels, shoulder bumps, slaps and back fists on the pads.
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Post by GJEC on Mar 13, 2014 5:22:07 GMT -5
Palms all the time for me. WW2 style chin jabs as per Fairbairn/Sykes have been very effective, yet on cctv or to witnesses look like a simple rugby 'hand off'. My youngest came home saying he'd punched someone who hit him at school yet got into trouble for it. We've spent a lot of time since on the pads drilling palms (pushes  ) and action triggers. He's looking dangerous now. Got the Mrs up last night to have a go and said 'just imagine it's me'. She almost took my shoulder out. Gary |
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Post by meguro on Mar 14, 2014 5:22:40 GMT -5
A little too real for me, Gary. I'd rather not know what my mrs. would do with a free shot. Scene 2: you are on your knee having been surprised by a sucker punch, down but not out. The other guy, 50 lbs advantage, stands over you waiting your next move. . . |
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Post by GJEC on Mar 14, 2014 8:21:09 GMT -5
If he's in my frontal arc his balls are going to be sore for a while. If he's behind or either side I'd be trying to roll away before he got a grip on me.
But I'm guessing here, having never been knocked to one knee without a referee to help.
Gary
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Post by MMX on Mar 14, 2014 11:36:30 GMT -5
I am with Gary. If he is to the front and I have the shot then his members are toast followed by his face if he goes low or his kneecaps when I stand up.
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Post by meguro on Mar 15, 2014 1:56:38 GMT -5
Standing up immediately would probably not be my first thought, if I was capable of thinking in that moment. I'd go for collapsing the guy's knee or ankle, then stumbling away.
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Post by noahh on Oct 27, 2014 18:10:58 GMT -5
Osu Meguro, awesome thread
Scene 1 - I presume we are talking smallish kids. If they are teenagers I would revert to a variant of Gary's unpleasant plan for an adult. If they were kids I'd start with a couple of foot sweeps, grab the shoulder and knock them down, I'd hope less determined street urchin would scatter at the first sign of resistance. If they persist I'd be relying on shotie to disperse, and nihon nikite to hurt but not injure. Soft targets gut, kneck(not throat) groin if practicall. Wouldn't use legs unless the group thinned, keep my feet firmly planted as I would think going to ground would be the biggest risk with a group.
Scene 2 - Groin would be my first preference. Distant second would be attacking the knee, either the outside of the knee with a hook punch, or the knee cap itself with a shotie. It wouldn't want to take him to ground if he sucker punched me there's a good chance he has friends near by with similar attitudes.
Osu!
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Post by meguro on Nov 2, 2014 7:41:40 GMT -5
Have you good folks ever had the misfortune of facing someone 100 lbs larger than you? I'm not talking 100 pounds of lard and immobility. Scenario three is a significant size advantage and unpredictability. A woman I know very well got a restraining order against a man with an unhealthy obsession. She is opposed to arming herself lest the weapon be used against her. So far, being hyper vigilant, and a legal document, are her means of protection.
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Post by GJEC on Nov 2, 2014 12:38:46 GMT -5
Being hyper vigilant gets tiring and the legal document works best rolled up tight and rammed in an eye. Criminals and the insane tend to ignore them.
But 100lbs is a lot of size to give away. If it was my wife/daughter/friend I'd have to suggest an equalizer.
Tasers might be illegal in some places but if the attacker has intent and opportunity I'd buy them one anyway.
Gary
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) and action triggers. He's looking dangerous now.
