GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Jun 5, 2014 8:36:05 GMT -5
It depends how we view the skills. Are they for the 'now', in which case England legend Gary Lineker is no longer an England footballer. Freddie Flintoff is no longer an England Cricketer etc.
Or is it a recognition of effort expended and standards reached, in which case anyone who has been through the whole 'weighed and measured' process and been signed off by his seniors has earned their grade and the right to be recognised.
I favour the latter. I can't do a patch of what I used to without risking my health, but I regard myself as still 4th Dan.
Gary
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Post by senshido on Jun 5, 2014 9:03:05 GMT -5
It depends how we view the skills. Are they for the 'now', in which case England legend Gary Lineker is no longer an England footballer. Freddie Flintoff is no longer an England Cricketer etc. Or is it a recognition of effort expended and standards reached, in which case anyone who has been through the whole 'weighed and measured' process and been signed off by his seniors has earned their grade and the right to be recognised. I favour the latter. I can't do a patch of what I used to without risking my health, but I regard myself as still 4th Dan. Gary I see what you are saying and I am in a similar boat
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curlbroscience
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Testing the waters. Thanks for the forum MMX!
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Post by curlbroscience on Jun 5, 2014 9:15:02 GMT -5
I think I'm possibly thinking of this in the wrong way... the way I am thinking is from the perspective of the organisation, If I give someone a black belt and they stop training they are no longer one of my black belts. Whereas I suppose from the point of view of the person, they are still a black belt, just not one of MY black belts. Here is another scenario... A black belt stops training... doubles their weight, can hardly move off the couch, they have a certificate, but they can no longer DO it? ... are they still a black belt? My jury is still out on this one!! the more I think about it the more I don't know the answer!! In the SFG/RKC certified instructors are the equivalent of a black belt level. Or at least that's the analogy that the SFG/RKC use to describe the level I certification. Along with that, they have to re-certify every 2 - 3 years which requires them to maintain a certain level of performance and keeps the tools sharpen enough to teach to others. Serves as quality control I am sure. Your technique and instruction are unique to your dojo so it would make sense for you to take a stance that you feel appropriate towards someone that has achieved that level and has let slip.. EDIT: (Not on the current string) Along with what Gary said, there are clearly marked weight/age qualifications for re-certification.
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GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Jun 5, 2014 10:05:41 GMT -5
I think the older ones provide a bit of balance and sanity. Despite physical limitations we can't ignore experience. If I teach at another club I look at far more than who kicks highest or moves fastest. Quite often the ones who don't look as good can apply things and handle pressure far better.
Gary
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wullie
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I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything!
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Post by wullie on Jun 10, 2014 17:51:57 GMT -5
I have in the past had dan grades in other styles that I no longer practice, train in or teach so I don't consider myself to still hold those grades, personally I reckon if you give it up through choice (I was fed up with what I was doing) you give up the belt
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