GJEC
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May 4, 2011 1:11:31 GMT -5
Post by GJEC on May 4, 2011 1:11:31 GMT -5
You have a lively imagination ICK
My opinion on the grappling v striking debate is dead simple:
One to one, if you have superior strength and skill? Grappling may work for you.
If there's more than one or if you are smaller/weaker than your opponent I'd advise striking every time. (Note: By striking I don't mean low kicks/body punches, I mean targetting eyes, jaw, throat, groin etc - anything in fact that would be banned in the dojo)
Gary
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May 4, 2011 1:48:23 GMT -5
Post by wullie on May 4, 2011 1:48:23 GMT -5
Number six smells like double bullshit to me, mainly on account of coming across like it was written by someone who has no idea how grappling works. Do they think someone is just going to sit there in mount patiently waiting for their opponent to tap out to a loosely held collar choke for long enough that his friends are going to stop making jokes about riding cowgirl and when the wedding is going to be and start kicking them in the head? F*** no! They will crank that shit so hard that five seconds later their opponent will be passed out and shitting their pants while they're getting back up to face the next opponent or, if they're smart, running the hell away. Furthermore, suppose I'm choking a B**** like Rick James and their buddy decides it's boot time. Oh no! What will I do? Well, let me get all zen for a second: In order to boot my head, first you must boot the head of your friend. Or, in plain speech, I'm keeping the collar choke but rolling over, putting the rapidly cooling corpse of their buddy between me and their feet. Plus, that's not even taking throws into account. How do fights end up on the ground when they do? Someone falls down. Now, what if there were some kind of martial art focused entirely around making people fall into the ground so hard they need thick specialized mats and months of dedicated falling training to survive the process? Oh wait, there is! It's called Judo, and if the hard fall onto concrete doesn't finish off that opponent, then whatever lock or choke that's applied afterwards certainly will in the 5~10 seconds it takes to position for and do. As for weapons, sure, if someone pulls a knife or gun you're suddenly in deep shit, but fat F***ing chance of Russian Aikido being any better for that than Judo or BJJ. Best solution is Ohshitsonrunjitsu, obviously enough. Rest of it is fine, though also kinda stupid sometimes. Also needed a myth about how the mean streets are not, in fact, paved with broken glass, AIDS needles, and lava. after 18 years working as a bouncer i can truthfully say that there is usually plenty broken glass on the floor during a pub fight mate, though yet to see the AIDS needles and lava your opponents friends are not just going to be kicking at your head they will lay into what ever bit of your body they can see, and 5 seconds is a hell of a long time to have people kicking, punching, hitting with bottles, etc. then you have the problem of getting back to your feet from the ground while they are still doing the same. something i've noticed (over here, anyway) is if your standing the yobs go for your head, if your on the ground they'll kick and stamp anywhere they can.
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May 4, 2011 2:07:34 GMT -5
Post by GJEC on May 4, 2011 2:07:34 GMT -5
I agree with Wullie.
One of the first things I was told on the door was "Never go to the floor"
The first time I saw a bouncer do that the crowd started throwing pint glasses at him. It was nothing to do with 'saving their friend' - the lad he was struggling with got badly cut as well - but more to do with having a free chance to maim someone. (Although the rest of us door staff quickly waded in and taught the glass throwers a lesson)
On a purely technical level, impact concentrates force into a split second, grappling elongates that force. Anyone with lots of street experience will confirm: Time is NEVER on your side.
Gary
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May 4, 2011 7:58:03 GMT -5
Post by ironcastknight on May 4, 2011 7:58:03 GMT -5
I certainly won't argue with your experience, but I imagine there's a world of difference between being in a random scuffle with some idiots and being a bouncer in England and Scotland; The first being like trying to pinch out a match without burning your fingers, and the second like trying to p*** on a firestorm. I'm not entirely sure what kind of martial art needs for that endeavor aside from balls made of high carbon steel fu, but I'm pretty sure it's not Russian Aikido either.
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wullie
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May 7, 2011 3:43:16 GMT -5
Post by wullie on May 7, 2011 3:43:16 GMT -5
Have any of you encountered the 'myth' of geographical toughness? This is when some idiot reckons he is harder than the guy working the door because of where he's from, here in Scotland the thought process is usually 'i'm from paisley/glasgow/edinburgh so I am automatically harder than you'. Or once a guy shouted at me "i'm from london, I can have you all day" as he rushed at me windmilling 'punches' with the accent he had I think he was from the same part of london as dick van dyke lol!
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May 7, 2011 4:01:55 GMT -5
Post by GJEC on May 7, 2011 4:01:55 GMT -5
We used to think anyone Oriental obviously had the genetic 'martial arts code' implanted at birth, and I now see with amusement that if Russians are coming people think they're on a loser.
These games have been played out since the Spartans. Even in WW2 the American military felt it neccessary to reassure their marines that officers of samurai stock were not neccessarily better trained or braver than the average foot soldier.
We have to remember to fight the person, not their reputation.
Gary
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