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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 4, 2011 15:18:41 GMT -5
The system I ranked in Kyokushin under, Tjakai (combination of Kyokushin, MT, Judo, and Pencak Silat), was founded by Roy Martina who isn't that known but was Rob Kaman's first instructor. Tjakai today is mainly practiced as a kickboxing/MT style and somehow is really only alive in Mexico with a handful of people in WA state that have trained in it. Anyhow, Roy Martina, not much is known of him but by some weird strange event I found a picture of him on facebook where he placed first in the Dutch Open in '83 and a young Andy Hug is in 3rd place: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=207572099270899&set=a.101989046495872.4468.100000543322105&type=1&theaterI'm trying to confirm 100% if this photo is legit and those are the correct people. Don't know if any of you perhaps were there or maybe know somebody that was that can maybe confirm that is this Roy in 1st and is that a young Hug in 3rd? Osu! |
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 6, 2011 16:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by MMX on Jul 6, 2011 16:34:38 GMT -5
Whoa! Pretty cool.
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 7, 2011 16:12:48 GMT -5
I thought so too even though Hug wasn't in his prime yet in '81, he was a young fighter, not even a shodan yet but still makes me feel good for my own personal lineage-nerdy-history knowledge!
Something I will throw in this is that Rob Kaman likes to only give Roy Martina credit for learning penjak silat, not for MT/kickboxing even though Kaman had 13-15 fights with Roy's instruction before going over to the Mejiro gym under Jan Plas. Roy also has a documented fight and loss by KO against Ernesto Hoost before Kaman ever fought Hoost.
Crazy how "6 degrees of separation" often seems to work in the budo world!
Osu!
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 31, 2011 0:33:59 GMT -5
I got some information back from Rene Martina (Roy's brother) today. Roy trained under Jon Bluming, and Rene trained under Hollander. Rene would help out Roy with Tjakai but Roy's Kyokushin training was all under Jon Bluming. Later on Roy would have students grade under Hollander, too. Roy received Godan under Bluming in the 70s or 80s but left to start his Tjakai. Rene, I believe got to sandan or yondan under Hollander.
This explains why the way I was taught Kyokushin differs tremendously from any IKO class and syllabus I have seen. I do have the kata, and most of it is the same and the kumite is the same, but the classes are ran quite a bit differently. I will often focus specifically on different things and have different exercises, etc.
Just weird that Cairnes, the man I learned it from would talk about Roy all the time but never told me about who Roy learned from LOL!
Osu!
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Post by ryosakazaki on May 7, 2013 22:48:45 GMT -5
It's good that you were able to find out more about his Kyokushin background.
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Post by cameronq on Oct 26, 2014 17:13:09 GMT -5
Crazy how "6 degrees of separation" often seems to work in the budo world! Osu! How true, although I wonder if it is more like two degrees of separation.  |
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