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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 3, 2011 0:06:03 GMT -5
Normally, I don't like bothering with the BS I'm about to post but it irritates me a bit when someone not only says they're a black belt in Kyokushin when they're not...but goes on to say they're now a nanadan! Hi everyone, I'd like to bring up somebody that claims to be a Kyokushin nanadan (7th dan for any Steve Arce followers that have no idea what nanadan means), his name is Steve Arce. You see, Steve has some background in TKD, Judo, Jujitsu (his Judo and jujitsu background have been called into question by some on bullshido but I'm not even debating that) and some other Korean arts. Here's what I can tell you about Steve, he and none of his students have competed in any Kyokushin tournaments against other Kyokushin black belts under knockdown kumite rules. Steve is under no Kyokushin organization, never was, neither. Nobody in Kyokushin, or knockdown in general in the state of California knows who in the hell he is because he is a fraud. Wouldn't you think a LEGIT Kyokushin nanadan would be known by some people, at least in the same state, if not most of the world that does Kyokushin? Here are some pics for your viewing pleasure: Steve's awesome shodan Andrew Ford made this back when Steve was claiming to be a rokudan:  Steve giving a shodan to somebody that by all accounts never really trained in Kyokushin and may have had a brown belt in shotokan or TKD years ago, but if you ask him, and he's honest, Christopher Yang (Sirc on Bullshido) will tell you that he didn't train Kyokushin, he just tested for shodan  . Click on the pic and you'll also notice Steve is wearing what appears to be a Hapkido or Aikido uniform due to the "diamond" pattern on the back...unless this is some new Kyokushin tradition I've never seen before wtf?  Screen capture on Steve's facebook with Christopher Yang (Sirc on bullshido.net), go to the top and you'll see Christopher Yang say: "You gave me my black belt in Kyokushin" and with a heart at the end..sorry, I don't swing that way to put that in quotes, especially to who promoted me to shodan. Steve then goes on to say how Chris deserved it, confirming he promoted him to Kyokushin black belt. postimage.org/image/6ql99ilht/full/You may think I spent time on doing this, not really, an entire 15 minutes or so, don't post crap on your facebook you don't want the world to see when you're a fraud and I'm looking into it. Go to this link and you will see Andrew Ford at the bottom giving a review saying Steve Arce is a 6x Olympic gold medalist...in what?  ! is what I ask! www.insiderpages.com/b/3710158561/do-san-tae-kwon-do-los-angelesWhat seems odd in this pic? *hint* look at Steve's belt? What nanadan ties their obi like this??!!! What kind of Kyokushin obi is that? look at the left, 2 lines of some writing, isn't that done on Korean black belts for TKD, Hapkido, etc. ? Never seen this on a Kyokushin obi  Another thing I'd like to bring up, I'm not debating which organization is what, but why isn't Steve or his black belt students wearing a dogi with the Kyokushin kanji?!! I also made a facebook page like the one that's about Tianero the Judan recently: www.facebook.com/groups/329024233777874/ Here is Steve M. Arce's "athlete" page: www.facebook.com/pages/Steve-M-Arce/249834138411937His normal fb page: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=607924107&sk=wallOsu! |
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Post by yoshukai on Dec 3, 2011 0:35:13 GMT -5
You seem to be a little fired up PO1!
This bull is along the same lines as the Ro-Ken karate folks in Memphis claiming to be Kyokushin.
I have seen this Andrew Fords facebook and he is one weird cookie!
Osu!
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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 3, 2011 0:36:57 GMT -5
I'm a bit fired up...on bullshido there are a couple of people with Kyokushin "black belt" tags on their user id that got them from guess who!
There was an investigation that was started on Arce but one of the people involved were told they'd be ban if they kept at it, so I messaged that moderator on bullshido and explained to them why Steve is a fraud..I"m waiting a reply.
I posted this on budokarateforum (Cameron Quinn's) forum as well.
Osu!
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Post by yoshukai on Dec 3, 2011 0:44:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit fired up...on bullshido there are a couple of people with Kyokushin "black belt" tags on their user id that got them from guess who! There was an investigation that was started on Arce but one of the people involved were told they'd be ban if they kept at it, so I messaged that moderator on bullshido and explained to them why Steve is a fraud..I"m waiting a reply. I posted this on budokarateforum (Cameron Quinn's) forum as well. Osu! I've visited the budokarateforum a few times and noticed that they are not to open to folks outside of IKO Sosai. In response to Arce... I feel the same way as you do about people using the Yoshukai name that have nothing to do and do not practice Yoshukai karate. It is a name that they can claim to bring in new students. Most new students do not care if the instructor is legit. They believe anything they hear. I've come to terms that I can't change everything and that there will always be weirdo's in the karate world. Osu! |
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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 3, 2011 0:57:29 GMT -5
I'm a bit fired up...on bullshido there are a couple of people with Kyokushin "black belt" tags on their user id that got them from guess who! There was an investigation that was started on Arce but one of the people involved were told they'd be ban if they kept at it, so I messaged that moderator on bullshido and explained to them why Steve is a fraud..I"m waiting a reply. I posted this on budokarateforum (Cameron Quinn's) forum as well. Osu! I've visited the budokarateforum a few times and noticed that they are not to open to folks outside of IKO Sosai. In response to Arce... I feel the same way as you do about people using the Yoshukai name that have nothing to do and do not practice Yoshukai karate. It is a name that they can claim to bring in new students. Most new students do not care if the instructor is legit. They believe anything they hear. I've come to terms that I can't change everything and that there will always be weirdo's in the karate world. Osu! You're right, I can't change it but I do want to let at least some people, especially the bullshido moderators know that Arce is fake. Bullshido is supposed to be a forum that investigates frauds, and they won't allow an investigation on Arce's Kyokushin claims? I'm going to let this boil over and not post anything more on it unless Arce or his underlings actually want to post proof about his Kyokushin credentials. I'm not talking about youtube clips of somebody he trained for an amateur MMA fight, or what pro MMA fighter he sparrred, I'm talking Kyokushin credentials such as branch chief certs, Kyokushin organizations he's under with member #, etc. The straw that broke the camel's back for me is when I saw one of Arce's shodan recently in a youtube video dressed up as Ryu from the streetfighter video games (Sirc on bullshido). Osu! |
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Post by yoshukai on Dec 3, 2011 1:02:53 GMT -5
I just saw the video of the guy dressed as Ryu from Streetfighter.
Sometimes people just need a good hard kumite session to keep them in check. Oh if it were only that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2011 8:59:08 GMT -5
What utter bollocks.
Has he ever made any claims as to who even gave him his dan ranking?
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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 3, 2011 15:55:45 GMT -5
What utter bollocks. Has he ever made any claims as to who even gave him his dan ranking? One of his underlings told Evergrey something along the lines of him being graded in Korea by Oyama...and one of his gradings was having a bokken broken over his head  . I'll let the idea of that sink into your head... When asked to show certs he said something about a house burning down and destroying them. Now, if my certs were destroyed, I won't lie, it would be a pain in the ass to have some of them replaced, but I could contact my org and have a new nidan one in a reasonable amount of time. You would think a nanadan would definitely have the ability to do so and...he recently, as in the last 6 months to years started claiming nanadan so I'd like to see his nanadan in Kyokushin cert. The facebook page I started went from 4 people to something like 250 people in a matter of 1-2 hours, last night. It was the fastest growth I have ever seen on anything karate related. I'll let Evergrey fill in on any of the specifics I left out. There was a thread on K4L started about him that was unfortunately closed...Arce's student Andrew Ford made a bunch of crazy and obviously untrue claims, and constantly tried to validate Arce's Kyokushin background by bringing up non-Kyokushin related stuff like training fighters for "smokers," amateur events, grappling tournaments, and the fact he sparred Bas Rutten. The 6X Olympic gold medal claim is by far the most obviously bullshit one of his claims. Like all good fakes Arce also likes to bring up that he was in the military and has some spin on Marines and martial arts, of course. Osu! |
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Post by wullie on Dec 3, 2011 17:54:47 GMT -5
why was the K4L thread shut down?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2011 18:00:35 GMT -5
Unbelievable. What's funny is if he's claiming he learned Kyokushin off of Oyama in Korea, it's pretty obvious he doesn't know much about what he's talking about. Marines typically don't get stationed in Korea and if they do they often have a fair amount of rank and/or an important job (e.g. embassy guard). Interestingly enough, I came across this little gem: profile.myarmedforces.com/profile/16622/Steve_ArceIf this is the same Steve Arce, he's not only claiming to be a Master Sergeant and have a WWII victory ribbon (along with an Ibut also a Congressional Medal of Honor. I signed up to see if it's the same person. Fellow claims he lives in LA and his birthday is Jan 23rd, sound about right? |
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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 3, 2011 20:22:31 GMT -5
Unbelievable. What's funny is if he's claiming he learned Kyokushin off of Oyama in Korea, it's pretty obvious he doesn't know much about what he's talking about. Marines typically don't get stationed in Korea and if they do they often have a fair amount of rank and/or an important job (e.g. embassy guard). Interestingly enough, I came across this little gem: profile.myarmedforces.com/profile/16622/Steve_ArceIf this is the same Steve Arce, he's not only claiming to be a Master Sergeant and have a WWII victory ribbon (along with an Ibut also a Congressional Medal of Honor. I signed up to see if it's the same person. Fellow claims he lives in LA and his birthday is Jan 23rd, sound about right? On his facebook his birthday says Jan 18th, 1970 His facebook also says LA...sounds like too much of a coincidence to me but who knows . www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=607924107Osu! |
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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 3, 2011 20:26:41 GMT -5
why was the K4L thread shut down? I think because Harukaze and I ripped into Andrew far too much shooting down just about every claim Andrew Ford was bringing up to defend Arce. In no way did we threaten Andrew, resort to name calling that I remember, we kept asking for proof and explained how the crap Andrew was bringing up doesn't validate any Kyokushin claims of Arce. More or less, Arce is giving black belts in "Kyokushin" to those that haven't came close to earning one in a Kyokushin dojo. These individuals want to say they have a Kyokushin black belt, so of course they don't want to admit Arce is fake because that would be admitting they really don't have a Kyokushin black belt. I'd be a whole lot happier if Arce would call it "full contact TKD" or whatever, just chaps my hide he's calling it Kyokushin...and saying his a nanadan in it. Osu! |
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Post by MMX on Dec 5, 2011 11:37:50 GMT -5
Really?
This is silly. It is like cheating in ONLINE video games.
Sure you "win" or "have Black Belt" but in your heart what do you have?
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Post by evergrey on Dec 6, 2011 6:01:50 GMT -5
If he would just come forward and explain himself, tell the Kyokushin world his training lineage so someone could check up on him, then it could be easily settled. Or, if he was lying, if he would come forward and admit to having lied, then it could be settled as well.
As it stands, his continued hiding is going to give people the impression that he's been caught in a lie. I'm not sure how anyone could think that they could hide something like this forever...or that no one would get upset and look into it.
I originally asked around and investigated because it sounded fishy to me, and I hadn't ever heard of someone being awarded a Kyokushin shodan with NO time spent in a Kyokushin dojo. That's just... not how it's done. In ANY dojo I've ever heard of, in any Kyokushin organization. I was concerned that someone was being duped. The person who showed up claiming a black belt also just had totally the wrong attitude and approach... you know, sometimes something just seems off?
Anyway, I wanted to find out if that was a thing that happened, and if anybody knew this person. I e-mailed him asking for some information, and he told some people that he had a motorcycle accident that day and one of them in turn told me that he couldn't answer any questions from me. Well, that was in I think May of this year, still no answer. In fact, I'm pretty sure he knows people have been asking around... still nothing.
I mentioned this and started asking questions and giving "I really don't think his Kyokushin claims are legit" info on Bullshido, and was warned that people have been banned over asking those sorts of questions about Arce before.
I have heard that he is an excellent fighter. Haven't seen it, but have heard it. That isn't even the question, here. The question is whether or not he is actually a Kyokushin instructor, especially one of high rank. So far, all around the planet, no one has been able to find a single Kyokushin person who has trained with him or knows of him training in any Kyokushin dojo.
He still has not come forward to defend himself.
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Post by wullie on Dec 6, 2011 6:44:36 GMT -5
so what's the point of ''bullshido'' when it isn't open to investigating everyone?
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. Click on the pic and you'll also notice Steve is wearing what appears to be a Hapkido or Aikido uniform due to the "diamond" pattern on the back...unless this is some new Kyokushin tradition I've never seen before wtf?
! is what I ask! www.insiderpages.com/b/3710158561/do-san-tae-kwon-do-los-angeles
. I'll let the idea of that sink into your head...
