Crosstraining with judo/bjj and karate

[meguro]

Shameless, I know, but I devoted a few words to Judo [glow=red,2,300]here[/glow]

[GJEC]

I like your blog meguro. Well thought out arguments that make sense.

Gary

[meguro]

Thank you, Gary. That's high praise.

[blacktiger]

Mar 30, 2012 9:22:16 GMT -5 havamal said:

Mar 29, 2012 16:07:57 GMT -5 powerof0ne said:

The only time I ended up on the ground in a "real" fight that wasn't competition or in the dojo was when I took the person down to the ground. I have never been thrown or taken down, hoping I didn't just jinx myself I've defused situations primarily with striking and clinching.
Osu!

they're times when striking is not the best choice, but a judo/jiujutsu control move offers lesser harm, in pain-compliance hold. And there're tackles, falls & takedowns to consider, in real life. I also have dubious bias on ground-fighting, since strikes and "clinches" are my skillsets: it's still a good cross-training workout.

I like karate, but I like karate and judo-type mix even better. to each his own. For many pre-20th Century Okinawan karate-ka, karate already incorporated judo-stuff.

Just like not many can handle knockdown-karate, not many can handle grappleing: these are not for everyone.

With a pistol, you can be disarmed...or have left it at home while you're out.

This is, after all, a karate-forum, like a frog in his comfortable well, many forum members are understandablely attached to karate only.

Totally Agree with this, I enjoy cross training in Judo, its helped me understand the stand up grapping and throws so much more, making my skill "better"

[curlbroscience]

There are so many Judo competitions in our area, makes me wonder if I got into the wrong arena.

Dan John said in a recent article regarding training for old age that learning to fall was high on his list of things he though to be of importance. Kind of funny that in an interview series with a few top RKC instructors the TGU was an important KB exercise for age.

So pretty much anything to avoid the excuse, "I've fallen and can't get up."

He also mentions flossing and wearing your seat belt.

[GJEC]

Here's his top ten tips for growing old better:

1. Don’t Smoke
2. Wear a seatbelt or a helmet
3. Learn to fall AND recover
4. Eat more protein
5. Eat more fiber
6. Take more fish oil
7. Drink more water
8. Floss your teeth
9. Build some muscle
10. Improve joint mobility

I'd add 'Don't do DIY - pay a professional'



Gary

[Ros]

May 30, 2012 0:20:50 GMT -5 GJEC said:

8. Floss your teeth

Does anyone really floss their teeth? ;D

[curlbroscience]

'Don't do DIY - pay a professional'

Amen to that Gary!

[MMX]

Pretty much anything that Dan John and Pavel do I take a good look at as they know what they are talking about.

[residentrenzo]

Hey there, how are you guys doing?

I've read all posts on this thread, so far I think I've come to the conclusion:

1) Better be damn good at one single skill/tech, e.g. mae geri chudan than 20 different takedowns.
2) Learning BJJ is more a trend than real preparation for a street/bar fight, considering how experienced people affirm that real fights rarely go to the ground.
3) Setting apart time and energy for a secondary art perhaps is not better that training at full 100% to main art which is Karate in my case.
4) There's a psychological side to being good in a fight. A predator mindset, use everything and anything you can to your advantage and go for the kill.

I confess I started karate to be strong on fights but I VERY rarely get into one. I just want my karate to be effective and realistic. But Im too inexperienced to figure that out for myself.

From reading through Gary's words of wisdom, if cross training is recommended in my case, cardio and kettle bells are better choice.

OSU!

[jon15]

Hey I'm late coming to this thread but I wanted to offer my thoughts on it. I think you've pretty much figured it all out. I agree with powerof0ne that getting a good base in one martial art, whatever that art might be, is probably the best plan of action. My goal in my training was to earn my black belt in BJJ and then branch out and start training again in standup fighting, preferably revisiting my days as a karate student.

I see a lot of guys and gals come in to where I train BJJ (an MMA gym) and many of the fighters aren't really good at any one thing. They're all just kinda good at a bunch of disjointed techniques. If you look at guys like Georges St. Pierre for instance or many of those early pioneers in MMA, they all came from one martial art that they had a base in and then branched out into other things later in life so they could be more effective in MMA. I like using GSP as an example because his base is in Kyokushin and later got into wrestling while in school and then BJJ when he was getting into MMA. He's a great example because he learned a core art but also learned each art for it's own sake without trying to tie it into another martial art or practice. This led him to become perfectly competent in each individual art instead of him being just kinda good at a bunch of random stuff.

I've studied BJJ (my main art), Judo and karate (in the past but now coming back to it!) and I think Judo would probably complement your Karate better than anything else. It will be familiar in a way because it's a directly Japanese art. The terminology and class structure will be familiar to you and I think the techniques fit more with a person who is already grounded in stand up fighting. My only caution would be that the older you get, the harder Judo is on your body. My advice would be to find a school that isn't ridiculous and has a broad range of types of students. Judo would be a great complement to your Karate training though for sure.

Anywho, that's my two cents. Keep at whatever your doing. Sounds like you have a good handle on things :-)