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Post by evergrey on Mar 26, 2012 3:05:34 GMT -5
OSU!
Does anyone know if this video was made before or after Sosai's death?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 7:27:43 GMT -5
Definitely after.
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 26, 2012 15:22:28 GMT -5
If it was before Sosai passed away, he would have been the one leading it, and in charge, not Matsui.
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Post by evergrey on Mar 26, 2012 20:48:17 GMT -5
OSU, very true. According to Shihan Quinn (who is the voice you hear translating) it was done in 1997 or 1998, and it is very accurate regarding how Sosai taught it overall, but there are some subtle changes in the kata that Matsui implemented.
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 27, 2012 16:42:39 GMT -5
OSU, very true. According to Shihan Quinn (who is the voice you hear translating) it was done in 1997 or 1998, and it is very accurate regarding how Sosai taught it overall, but there are some subtle changes in the kata that Matsui implemented. OSU! I don't think anybody here was questioning it being IKO1-"Matsui-ha" Kyokushin  . When Sosai was alive the Ura variations weren't mandatory, they are now under IKO1 and many other IKO and non-IKO organizations. I personally am not a fan of adding more variations to existing kata. In shito ryu we had gyaku tsuki variations for the kihon which are the same pattern as the taikyoku. That is just one example, a good change that I like to see in IKO1 is that they're bringing back some kobudo, aka, weapons kata as being mandatory but it will probably be a couple more years before that's done. In all honesty, it's been over a decade since I've practiced any bo, kama, tonfa, nunchaku, etc. kata...I'd have to practically relearn all of that if it was required for me to grade. However, in shito ryu I had to know all that and I also hold a shodan from many years ago in kenshin ryu kobudo which is the weapons style that my old Soke, Hayashi Soke founded (RIP Hayashi). Anyhow, Kyokushin changed a bit while Sosai was alive is my point, Kyokushin used to require many different weapons kata for grading, and weapons proficiency. However, while Sosai was alive, before his passing, this was really no longer a requirement at all in most Kyokushin dojo, if not all. With that being said, the change or evolution of a style isn't just in Kyokushin, I have seen it in most, if not all Karate ryu-ha over the years. Due to the flexibility I'm given under my organization I will never require my students to do the Ura variations of taikyoku, pinan, etc. for grading. I personally believe there should only be one version of a kata and that that one version had bunkai/oyo etc. in it. When you start adding variations to a kata you completely change that bunkai/oyo that is in the kata, to where, that kata doesn't really have any real point but being an exercise, nothing more, nothing less. I like my kata to serve a greater purpose. Osu! |
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Post by meguro on Mar 27, 2012 17:14:25 GMT -5
I tried to watch the entire video, but that's a huge time commitment. Got half-way through and was pretty satisfied that I'd seen it all before live- of course not with those illustrious karateka (OK, maybe a couple of those guys). I don't think weapons kata is a positive development for Kyokushin. It would amount to nothing more than baton twirling if you compare it to what is required of the regular kata already in the syllabus. Now if free fighting with weapons were made integral to Kyokushin, I might see a place for weapons kata.  |
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Post by evergrey on Mar 27, 2012 19:36:05 GMT -5
OSU,
We don't bother with ura. We do kobudo though, heh! Mostly bo, sai, and tonfa. My particular lineage has always required at least one or two weapons kata... though I'm not sure where they got them from, to be honest with you. :/
As for actual weapons training, apparently my Sensei's going to be doing that with me at some point. Makes me nervous, heh!
They do some weapons defense stuff after class at my dojo sometimes, mostly knife and a bit of gun (not that you have very good chances there, but when you don't have a choice, might as well give yourself a bit of a chance) because we have so many law enforcement officers. That's mostly them working with each other, though I know others are welcome to watch and learn. Sometimes participate.
PS- I haven't gotten through the whole video either.
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