Post by GJEC on Oct 16, 2012 13:39:39 GMT -5
I posted this previously (see-saw thread) then thought it merited a thread of it's own:
I can't speak for others, but when I started on a door I had 9 years of good karate training under my belt, including fighting for England and GB. By all the laws of "You get what you train for" - usually promoted by people who want you to train in THEIR system - I should have been dead in the water. High hands to guard against kicks, no protection against face punches, no grappling skills, etc
But the reality was, it took me about 30 seconds of violence to change my methods. (Get in quickly, bang them, firm hold using head control, drag out - keeping them moving - kneeing them if they struggled) None of those skills were formally taught, I just watched how the other doormen did it then used the fitness and aggression I had built in Knockdown.
So my contention is that "You only get what you train for" is not strictly true. There is a carry over and just like a talented brawler might pick up knockdown skills fairly easily, the same happens in reverse.
It's a pity some 'reality' instructors swear blind this is impossible. To suit their business plan, they would have us believe sport can never help in the street.
I never heard this in the 70's or 80's, if you did knockdown karate you could (and would) have a fight, no one questioned that. What changed? Nothing in my opinion so if we believe that it defies all logic.
Gary
I can't speak for others, but when I started on a door I had 9 years of good karate training under my belt, including fighting for England and GB. By all the laws of "You get what you train for" - usually promoted by people who want you to train in THEIR system - I should have been dead in the water. High hands to guard against kicks, no protection against face punches, no grappling skills, etc
But the reality was, it took me about 30 seconds of violence to change my methods. (Get in quickly, bang them, firm hold using head control, drag out - keeping them moving - kneeing them if they struggled) None of those skills were formally taught, I just watched how the other doormen did it then used the fitness and aggression I had built in Knockdown.
So my contention is that "You only get what you train for" is not strictly true. There is a carry over and just like a talented brawler might pick up knockdown skills fairly easily, the same happens in reverse.
It's a pity some 'reality' instructors swear blind this is impossible. To suit their business plan, they would have us believe sport can never help in the street.
I never heard this in the 70's or 80's, if you did knockdown karate you could (and would) have a fight, no one questioned that. What changed? Nothing in my opinion so if we believe that it defies all logic.
Gary
