evergrey
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Post by evergrey on Mar 7, 2011 21:01:07 GMT -5
For sweeps, for the lower ranks at least, we're supposed to cup our foot and sort of scoop the other person's foot with the bottom of ours.
The shodans heel kick each other's calves instead.
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 8, 2011 10:19:26 GMT -5
Heel kicks as in a sort of hook to the calf? I might be understanding you wrong but if I do I can't see that actually working that often and resulting in a lot of bruised calve muscles.
I sneakily use my instep and position it behind my opponent's heel of their lead or rear and bring it back quickly while also cutting up a little bit to "lift" that leg to cause them to fall resulting in a sweep.
If I understand you right of about cupping the foot and do a hook motion again? I could see this working sometimes but more often not working so I'm confused. Probably just my misunderstanding.
Like Senshido brought up you can use the leg kick/gedan mawashi geri around the calf to ankle and follow through with it enough resulting in a sweep. If you get really lucky you can even kick/sweep both legs from under your opponent every once in a while, too!
The hard part about doing an ashi barai IMHO is the timing of it and also "setting it up" or getting good at not "advertising" what you're doing. The actual technique itself isn't hard.
I actually understand what you mean by cupping the feet now I just was picturing it all wrong but I'm still having trouble visualizing the heel to the calve muscle sweep for some reason. Let me go into more detail...I have done a sweep using my heel and it was a stupid (my opinion) 360 "dragon tail" sweep that I was taught as a kid. I only made it actually work a couple of times but I don't think that's the sweep you're talking about.
Osu!
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wullie
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Post by wullie on Mar 8, 2011 11:37:24 GMT -5
Hey guys---just signed up. yes, my wife agrees on my salads. Also, Wullie, I'm not a demon to fight with. I'm just frisky. lol! Same thing in my book! Us rhino's have trouble with 'frisky' fighters  OSU! |
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Post by medguy on Mar 8, 2011 11:47:39 GMT -5
I like kick to the inside of their knee with my foot flexed so that I impact with my shin/top of ankle. That way if I don't get the sweep I at least get the damage. I've been working on being nicer and aiming for the ankle lately. ;P
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Post by MMX on Mar 8, 2011 12:03:26 GMT -5
The shodans heel kick each other's calves instead. Osu! Is that with a back spin kick or stepping in and the pulling with their heel behind the calf? That is not technically a sweep I think. Osu! |
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 8, 2011 12:30:02 GMT -5
I'm picturing an osato gari or similar variation...or "Andy Hug" spinning back heel to the calve which I personally prefer to do right above the knee, in the front. I guess the "Andy Hug" way could be a sweep but usually just a kick for me. Osato gari variations are awesome, though!  Probably my favorite take down. Osu! |
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Post by ashigeru on Mar 9, 2011 4:27:38 GMT -5
Actually, what we do is more like a combination sweep/hook kick to the calf. It functions like a sweep, but is more painful when done right.
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GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Mar 9, 2011 4:37:57 GMT -5
Sounds like Soto Gake, the foot goes past then the heel comes back and upwards into the calf muscle. Very effective.
Gary
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Post by alan on Mar 9, 2011 9:55:01 GMT -5
the sweep used to be a party piece of mine, difficult to explane but don`t be fussy about what part of the foot/shin you use, get to one side and whoop the at the very bottom of the calf..better if you catch both legs.......don`t hold back and try to be pretty....!!
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evergrey
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Get over yourself, mate.
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Post by evergrey on Mar 9, 2011 15:05:09 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up, Ashigeru. I'm usually too busy trying to not hack the ankles of my drilling partner to watch what you big boys are doing... I'm sure it hurts though.
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Post by meguro on Mar 9, 2011 15:55:19 GMT -5
Occassionally, my opponents go down with an inner thigh kick (uchi momo geri). Rather than follow through, I often reach forward and try to catch them or help them up. Good zanshin?  |
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 9, 2011 16:29:39 GMT -5
Occassionally, my opponents go down with an inner thigh kick (uchi momo geri). Rather than follow through, I often reach forward and try to catch them or help them up. Good zanshin? I think this is the attitude of a good budoka. Zanshin or not, you're keeping the safety of your training partner in mind. For those competing I think you should follow through so they get accustomed to taking a fall in case it happens but those of those with competition behind us I don't see the point of purposely performing a hard sweep, takedown, and throw on somebody repeatedly. I know others will disagree and like to do just the opposite of what I described on a regular basis and I will be the first to admit I was that way for a very long time. Just my opinion. Osu! |
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Post by MMX on Mar 9, 2011 16:31:57 GMT -5
Well. Depends on the drill.
If its kumite and I get in with Uchi Momo Geri then I will use it to my advantage.
Osu!
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Post by meguro on Mar 9, 2011 16:49:23 GMT -5
Completely off topic.
Just noticed your sig, Po1, and it reminded me of a story. A friend of mine was traveling in Vietnam, where she picked up a nasty parasite. On her return, her doc requested a stool sample to run tests. The only disposable container she had available was for a certain item from LandoLakes-I Can't Believe It's Not Butter. ;D
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tmd
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Post by tmd on Mar 9, 2011 18:21:34 GMT -5
I generally can't throw them, not had a lot of practice to be fair, in the stand up stuff I've done they've not been used and in JJ I did years ago they were done very differently. So alternative question, best defense against being swept... apart from lightning speed obviously |
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Probably my favorite take down.
