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Post by MMX on Apr 4, 2013 0:17:08 GMT -5
World Oyama Karate San Francisco's 2013 - 9th Annual "Fighters Cup"
Sunday, June 2 Mercy High School: 3250 19th Avenue,San Francisco 94132
Special Guest: World Oyama Karate Directior Saiko Shihan Yasuhiko Oyama
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Post by yoshukai on Apr 4, 2013 8:56:41 GMT -5
Ex Yoshukai fighter Masataka Wakatsuki will be fighting in this event from Japan, representing his Seienjuku Organization.
Wakatsuki Sensei was Yoshukai's top fighter for the last 10 years. I hope to see him come out with a win.
Osu!
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Post by MMX on Apr 4, 2013 10:58:47 GMT -5
Nice! I think Tomiyama Sensei is sending a few guys from Enshin San Fran for this tourney.
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Post by seattle on Apr 8, 2013 2:11:13 GMT -5
I wish I could go back this year, however I have to take my wife on vacation.
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evergrey
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Get over yourself, mate.
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Post by evergrey on Apr 8, 2013 2:15:52 GMT -5
Aw bummer, Seattle! I was going to fight in this one, but because of not being able to be around enough this year, I haven't been able to get into condition, or get enough practice in, to be ready, so my Shihan and Sensei both agree I should wait. It's okay, I hate helmets and gloves and stuff anyway, and that's the only way they'll let women fight there. "Semi-knockdown."  |
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Post by yoshukai on Apr 8, 2013 7:46:27 GMT -5
Evergrey, there is nothing wrong with "semi-knockdown". I see it as a stepping stone for fighting knockdown. Don't think about the use of the helmets and pads. The rules are the same, so the fighting aspect of it has not changed.
The knockdown divisions usually consist of higher level fighters. Don't knock the semi-knockdown until you have atleast tried it.
Osu!
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Post by seattle on Apr 8, 2013 9:02:26 GMT -5
There are women fighting there who want to fight full contact but the organizer will not allow it. I know of one women who will not fight in it because of it not being full contact.
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Post by yoshukai on Apr 8, 2013 10:24:47 GMT -5
I understand the seasoned fighters wanting knockdown with no pads. However, when there aren't any other options, you take what you can get. The main reason Oyama may not want a ladies division for full contact, could be because they don't have the caliber of fighters to win the division from their own organization. I have seen this before at Oyama events here in Alabama.
Complaining about not having a full contact no-pads division for women when you have no competition experience is a little backwards, IMO. The ones who are of the higher caliber have all the reason to want the no pads division, but since it is not their event, cannot really say much. If they don't like it, they can always host their own.
Osu!
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Post by MMX on Apr 8, 2013 10:54:15 GMT -5
Semi Knockdown is no joke. Still a battle.  |
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Post by seattle on Apr 9, 2013 2:39:15 GMT -5
Not implying semi is not tough, just different. West coast does not have many tournaments that are open to give women opportunities to fight full contact, or men for that matter. Many of the women just want the same playing field as the men.
Hosting your own tournament does not solve the issue, as it is not generally in the best interest of the tournament to fight in your own tournament. Accusations of bias. Difficult enough to have people see your tournament as being fair to outsiders from your organization.
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Post by yoshukai on Apr 9, 2013 7:02:28 GMT -5
Not implying semi is not tough, just different. West coast does not have many tournaments that are open to give women opportunities to fight full contact, or men for that matter. Many of the women just want the same playing field as the men. Hosting your own tournament does not solve the issue, as it is not generally in the best interest of the tournament to fight in your own tournament. Accusations of bias. Difficult enough to have people see your tournament as being fair to outsiders from your organization. This is true about fighting in the tournament if you were to host it. I completely understand the position of wanting a level playing field. I guess it all comes down to if you really want to fight, you will compete when and where opportunities arise. Osu! |
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Get over yourself, mate.
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Post by evergrey on Apr 17, 2013 18:00:17 GMT -5
Oh I will, but I am honestly not just complaining for myself alone. I've spoken to many women who are seasoned fighters who choose to not compete in this tournament because they hate the padding and feel like it is disrespectful to women fighters to not allow them to fight like the men. It isn't that semi-knockdown isn't hard (though the rules ARE a bit different, I have heard) or that I am making a bunch of declarations about it without any experience... it's just not what we train for, you know? I want to fight Kyokushin style. I want the same opportunities as the men. Many other women do as well.
I've been up to Seattle for the tournament they run there, and the difference is really striking. The men and women traded off rounds, and every fighter was given the same amount of respect and recognition. There was only one set of rules for traditional knockdown fighting, and gender didn't factor into those rules at all. Everyone had the same opportunities.
Now, World Oyama is a much bigger tournament, but honestly what that tells me is that it should be able to get MORE female fighters, since it's a bigger event. Why doesn't it? Probably because so many women aren't willing to just do semi-knockdown. That's what I hear a lot. "I'd go if they had knockdown for women, instead of those stupid helmets."
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