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Post by italiantank on May 1, 2013 14:08:17 GMT -5
Hello all,I was recently on a MMA forum and there was a thread discussing Shidokan tournaments. Many of the posters enjoyed these tournaments and wondered what had happened to them. Many popular MMA fighters like Cung Le and Shonie Carter competed back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I enjoyed them myself and would love to compete in such an event. I think a lot of people would still enjoy this type of fighting. So, does anyone know why they stopped? OSU
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Post by MMX on May 1, 2013 14:53:20 GMT -5
Good question! Maybe Ryosakizaki can come in here and let us know since he is a Shidokan player.
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Post by ryosakazaki on May 7, 2013 22:40:06 GMT -5
I just opened a branch for Shidokan Philippines last August 2012 so I'm still relatively new. But from what I've seen in Facebook posts and events, there is an event in Europe this year where Sensei Peter Angerer of Germany is involved. Japan still has its Strong Open Tournament and busy with various kickboxing events where their fighters are involved (like Makoto Uehara and Ryo Sakai). I think each country has its own Shidokan related event. As for US events, I think Sensei Richard Trammell and Sensei Eddie Yoshimura (Shonie Carter and Brian Gassaway as well) are the best people to talk to. As for Shidokan Philippines, they just opened last year January and allowed me to open a branch for them last August. I hope this helps somehow.
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Post by MMX on May 8, 2013 11:09:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info!  |
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Post by italiantank on May 8, 2013 11:51:04 GMT -5
Thanks ryosakazaki and congrats on your dojo. I will try and contact Shonie and ask if they have plans on doing a triathalon again. Osu
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Post by ryosakazaki on May 8, 2013 19:28:06 GMT -5
No problem, glad to help. |
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Post by powerof0ne on May 13, 2013 12:29:21 GMT -5
I remember watching the triathlon on PPV in the mid 90s Brings back memories. I actually prefer Shidokan knockdown kumite rules over Kyokushin rules today, because you're allowed to do a full clinch. I believe it was a huge mistake to remove that from knockdown kumite. Yes, in open weight classes, a bigger person would have an advantage, if they knew how to clinch (especially taller), but in weight classes, "neck wrestling" is a strategy of fighting all in its own when you clinch with people that know what they're doing. Even when I "stalled" in the clinch, I was still kneeing my opponent in the floating ribs, hip, and thighs. Osu! |
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Post by ryosakazaki on May 15, 2013 23:26:06 GMT -5
I remember watching the triathlon on PPV in the mid 90s Brings back memories. I actually prefer Shidokan knockdown kumite rules over Kyokushin rules today, because you're allowed to do a full clinch. I believe it was a huge mistake to remove that from knockdown kumite. Yes, in open weight classes, a bigger person would have an advantage, if they knew how to clinch (especially taller), but in weight classes, "neck wrestling" is a strategy of fighting all in its own when you clinch with people that know what they're doing. Even when I "stalled" in the clinch, I was still kneeing my opponent in the floating ribs, hip, and thighs. Osu! It's kind of frustrating because Kyokushin doesn't allow grabbing/full clinches, but if you watch tournaments, there are all sorts of "hidden grabbing" (grabbing of gi sleeves, etc.) or grabbing not in view of the referee. |
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Post by powerof0ne on May 16, 2013 20:15:11 GMT -5
I remember watching the triathlon on PPV in the mid 90s Brings back memories. I actually prefer Shidokan knockdown kumite rules over Kyokushin rules today, because you're allowed to do a full clinch. I believe it was a huge mistake to remove that from knockdown kumite. Yes, in open weight classes, a bigger person would have an advantage, if they knew how to clinch (especially taller), but in weight classes, "neck wrestling" is a strategy of fighting all in its own when you clinch with people that know what they're doing. Even when I "stalled" in the clinch, I was still kneeing my opponent in the floating ribs, hip, and thighs. Osu! It's kind of frustrating because Kyokushin doesn't allow grabbing/full clinches, but if you watch tournaments, there are all sorts of "hidden grabbing" (grabbing of gi sleeves, etc.) or grabbing not in view of the referee. True, I fell victim once, having my opponent do a full clinch and trip me in a Sabaki (Seattle '99) tournament. Which wasn't legal, but they didn't call him on it, and gave hi a score as if he did a legal takedown. I was overly conscious not to do a full clinch because I didn't want to fall into "Muay Thai" mode, if I could go back, I would have full clinched him back and broke his nose, but hindsight is 20/20, you only have a few seconds to a couple of minutes in competition to settle the score. I was looking to fight in it again and beat the crap out of said opponent (within legal rules of the tournament) but he never fought again, he ran from me for the rest of the fight, until time ran out. Was the first and last time I ever had an opponent in competition run from me until time ran out. I have, however, seen this happen a few other times in Sabaki tournaments. I'd rather just have the full clinch legal in all knockdown tournaments so no "accidents" happen, and to show the public and unknowing karatekas that just don't know, how effective the full clinch really is. Osu! |
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Post by ryosakazaki on May 16, 2013 21:36:46 GMT -5
@po1: Maybe it's just me, but now all those boxing mitt drills makes more sense (head slips, bobs, weaves). I started doing it just for some variance in mitt training (it wouldn't hurt if you train something more than knockdown rule and learn how to apply it in sparring anyway) and some of my smaller students have started avoiding clinch attempts by taller people by using some head slips/weaves then sidestepping or moving away. There are also those who use the weave (sometimes) against the jodan mawashi geri. Not exactly healthy, but it works sometimes.
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Post by powerof0ne on May 19, 2013 16:30:15 GMT -5
@po1: Maybe it's just me, but now all those boxing mitt drills makes more sense (head slips, bobs, weaves). I started doing it just for some variance in mitt training (it wouldn't hurt if you train something more than knockdown rule and learn how to apply it in sparring anyway) and some of my smaller students have started avoiding clinch attempts by taller people by using some head slips/weaves then sidestepping or moving away. There are also those who use the weave (sometimes) against the jodan mawashi geri. Not exactly healthy, but it works sometimes. I've never had anybody be able to bob and weave from me for long, when I'm trying to clinch them . If face punches are allowed, uppercutting your way out of the clinch is a good idea, and something I teach my students to do (if the person isn't clinching you right  ). If I clinch you, I immediately close the gap so you can't uppercut me to the chin or face. A good clinch, is kept so tight that if you have the upper hand, you rely on feel, because you have no room to look down to look at your opponent's openings. If you want to knee your opponent in the head from a clinch this is about the only time you would leave any space, but that's when the opponent is also open to uppercut you in the face. With that being said, I prefer to focus my knees on the body from the clinch, more so than the face...going back to not leaving much, if any opportunity to uppercut me in the face . A misnomer of clinching is, that I've seen at some gyms, which is wrong...that the focus is "muscling," or pulling your opponent's head down, by forcing it down, or pulling right to you. A clinch done the right way is using your whole body, keeping your body with your opponent most of the time unless you're setting up for a good knee which is something else. If you clinch by trying to muscle your opponent's head down most of the time, you will get tired fast. Also, at all times keep your head up, this will develop a strong neck but also AID YOU! Aid you because you can pull your head back while maintaining the clinch on your opponent and stepping back as if you were doing a mawatte in karate...when you get this down smoothly and fast enough, you can start "throwing" your opponent around right into your knees Clinch relies on a proper plum (hand placement of the "CLINCH"), proper footwork, keeping it tight that your head is to the left or right of your opponent with your chin over that side shoulder, and at all times keeping your head UP! If you relax your neck, and point your head down to "look" you will lose against a good clincher. This of course isn't going into a modified plum, clinching at the waist, countering from waist to head, and much more involved with one of my favorite fighting ranges . Osu! |
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Post by gimptron on Jul 22, 2014 19:51:25 GMT -5
I remember watching those Shidokan events on ESPN2 back in the day. I would like to attend an event one day.
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Post by yamatodamashii on May 12, 2016 20:06:26 GMT -5
I realize this is an old thread but I'm new here and just saw this. I figured I'd comment because I feel there is still interest in triathlon rules events.
I'm working on raising awareness of Shidokan and Triathlon rules matches. With Shihan Richard Trammells help, I'm hoping to bring these matches back to Atlanta, GA.
If anyone has interest, please let me know as it's difficult to find fighters to compete in knockdown karate let alone triathlon rules matches.
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Post by MMX on May 13, 2016 11:54:51 GMT -5
That is great!!! Thanks for joining us here yamatodamashiiI know some of the Yoshukai guys from Atlanta have had interest. |
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Post by arjukenkarate on May 28, 2016 2:21:34 GMT -5
I realize this is an old thread but I'm new here and just saw this. I figured I'd comment because I feel there is still interest in triathlon rules events. I'm working on raising awareness of Shidokan and Triathlon rules matches. With Shihan Richard Trammells help, I'm hoping to bring these matches back to Atlanta, GA. If anyone has interest, please let me know as it's difficult to find fighters to compete in knockdown karate let alone triathlon rules matches. I haven't fought in a Shidokan rules event before but I am very keen! They have been trying to bring the rule set into Australia for a while now with not much interest. |
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). If I clinch you, I immediately close the gap so you can't uppercut me to the chin or face. A good clinch, is kept so tight that if you have the upper hand, you rely on feel, because you have no room to look down to look at your opponent's openings. If you want to knee your opponent in the head from a clinch this is about the only time you would leave any space, but that's when the opponent is also open to uppercut you in the face. With that being said, I prefer to focus my knees on the body from the clinch, more so than the face...going back to not leaving much, if any opportunity to uppercut me in the face 
