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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 13, 2013 16:03:07 GMT -5
Ha Ha because most karateka have borderline ocd and running round kicking walls barefoot will make things sore. Don't force it. Haha, understood!
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 13, 2013 17:23:52 GMT -5
If you talk to him privately, and are open with him, you might be surprise how receptive he is to you. Also make sure that you respect him, and don't want to bring any ill-content between both of you. Your instructor will more than likely smile and say you shouldn't worry about that. At least that's how I would react if a student came to me, and was honest. I never want anybody to learn under me, that feels like they're "trapped" into it, I only want those that want to train under me. I have also suggested that some students check out another style, dojo, etc. because in all honesty, I thought me teaching them was a waste of time. The relationship between instructor and student goes both ways. If a student isn't meeting me half way, what am I supposed to do? I'm no puppeteer! Osu!
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 13, 2013 19:04:20 GMT -5
If you talk to him privately, and are open with him, you might be surprise how receptive he is to you. Also make sure that you respect him, and don't want to bring any ill-content between both of you. Your instructor will more than likely smile and say you shouldn't worry about that. At least that's how I would react if a student came to me, and was honest. I never want anybody to learn under me, that feels like they're "trapped" into it, I only want those that want to train under me. I have also suggested that some students check out another style, dojo, etc. because in all honesty, I thought me teaching them was a waste of time. The relationship between instructor and student goes both ways. If a student isn't meeting me half way, what am I supposed to do? I'm no puppeteer! Osu! Osu! Powerofone, He's a tough one to gauge, hard for me to predict which way he will go with this. But you are right, I must at the very least meet him halfway in this matter, give him a chance to yay or nay it. He does not often if ever endorse training in other dojos though, but does mention other styles here and there such as boxing or forms of ground fighting. Those are styles he does mention cross-training in. But never an off-shoot or close related style
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 13, 2013 22:28:24 GMT -5
I think "cross training" is at least worth it, so you can do kumite with others that you're not used to sparring...or maybe even pick up a few extra variations or techniques to add to your tool box. I think all of this just adds to all of us growing as martial arts. None of it can be found in just one dojo, neither. The icing on the cake is networking and becoming friends with others outside your dojo ! The one thing I've learned is, once you get pass all the ceremonial stuff, most of us karateka are more similar than not...the legit ones, anyway. Osu! ps wasn't saying you weren't legit...I've found the ones that aren't, I have very little in common with them, and in the past, they just want to learn from me, but have nothing to offer me. I taught at a dojo like this some years back, nice people, and at least made me the head instructor, but they had no business teaching.
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Post by MMX on Oct 14, 2013 10:56:49 GMT -5
Also I've thought of changing my strike point during a mae geri from striking with chusoku to striking with my heel instead. Any suggestions as to whether or not I should do that? It would still make for a hard striking surface, harder and more sturdy than the chusoku even..but there must be disadvantages, else this would probably already be the primary striking surface, right?
My main goal though is to be able to form a good chusoku, and to be able to do so without much thought or deliberation - for those two things(thought and deliberation) have very little room during the heat of battle. I'd like for it to become more relfexive than just simply 'able'.
The thing I find that helped the most was to work on the stretching. Get into a "sprinters start" position and just switch your feet back and forth. That will force your toes to stretch and force the foot forward. Try that a couple times a day and right before you train in kihon.
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 15, 2013 14:44:13 GMT -5
I think "cross training" is at least worth it, so you can do kumite with others that you're not used to sparring...or maybe even pick up a few extra variations or techniques to add to your tool box. I think all of this just adds to all of us growing as martial arts. None of it can be found in just one dojo, neither. The icing on the cake is networking and becoming friends with others outside your dojo ! The one thing I've learned is, once you get pass all the ceremonial stuff, most of us karateka are more similar than not...the legit ones, anyway. Osu! ps wasn't saying you weren't legit...I've found the ones that aren't, I have very little in common with them, and in the past, they just want to learn from me, but have nothing to offer me. I taught at a dojo like this some years back, nice people, and at least made me the head instructor, but they had no business teaching. I understand what you mean , Karate, I have discovered, brings people across many different walks of life together (those legit in their intentions) I concur wholeheartedly about cross training and it's many benefits too. Especially having to defend against various attacks etc; it could only work wonders for me during kumite in the dojo. But that's just it, I'm not really going there to pick up 'extra training' or anything like that. The situation is that I'll simply be visiting a friend who is affiliated with that dojo and who knows I train Kyokushin and thought it would be a nice to-do on my list of activities while im there for that day. I don't want my Sensei to think that I'm trying to cross train or anything of that nature, so I'm going to have to pick my words very carefully in order to convey my true intentions (or lack thereof) and the circumstances surrounding my visit very clearly! Many great pointers by all who have posted and I am far more confident in my approach than I was prior to the help, very thankful. Doomsday is tomorrow
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Post by GJEC on Oct 15, 2013 14:53:49 GMT -5
I'm out of karate just now so maybe I take a broad view. I was teaching for 38 years and during that time taught loads of people far cleverer than me and many far tougher.
So the idea of someone coming to me asking permission to do things outside of my control now seems almost weird. I hope I wasn't as daft as some we hear about, banning students going to where the knowledge or real competition is just on the basis of political affiliation.
Be yourself.
Gary
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 15, 2013 15:50:49 GMT -5
Also I've thought of changing my strike point during a mae geri from striking with chusoku to striking with my heel instead. Any suggestions as to whether or not I should do that? It would still make for a hard striking surface, harder and more sturdy than the chusoku even..but there must be disadvantages, else this would probably already be the primary striking surface, right?
My main goal though is to be able to form a good chusoku, and to be able to do so without much thought or deliberation - for those two things(thought and deliberation) have very little room during the heat of battle. I'd like for it to become more relfexive than just simply 'able'.
The thing I find that helped the most was to work on the stretching. Get into a "sprinters start" position and just switch your feet back and forth. That will force your toes to stretch and force the foot forward. Try that a couple times a day and right before you train in kihon. ----------------------------------------------------------- Will do! Sounds similar to what another poster had suggested also (stretching it), as well. We do this type of stretching during warm-ups just before training before I'm sure that doing it on 'off days' will probably work wonders. Thanks for the tips!
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 16, 2013 9:26:41 GMT -5
I'm out of karate just now so maybe I take a broad view. I was teaching for 38 years and during that time taught loads of people far cleverer than me and many far tougher. So the idea of someone coming to me asking permission to do things outside of my control now seems almost weird. I hope I wasn't as daft as some we hear about, banning students going to where the knowledge or real competition is just on the basis of political affiliation. Be yourself. Gary Very interesting perspective. If there's one thing Kyokushin, and even Karate as a whole, has, is a lot of politics. My instructor tries to steer clear of that, other than to point out it's obstruction. I do wonder a bit if he would take that angle or not though, seeing as how it is an related knockdown style I'll be training with. I'll be careful to avoid being specific about the style when I speak with him but I'm sure he's going to ask anyway
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Post by powerof0ne on Oct 16, 2013 16:50:22 GMT -5
By strange coincidence, I find myself leaning more and more towards how Gary is with martial arts. I'm letting this be known, because perhaps you need to talk to the "other side" of the debate, too...or "the middle" of people I know that believe in a lot of what Gary and I are saying, but they keep it secret (quite a large group). To make matters worst, there are some organizations, where depending on where you live in the world, you can cross-train in other styles, with others...but if you're in other parts of the world, you will be expelled. I won't name any orgs, but trust me, they do exist, and I know others on here know of at least one of them. I bring all of this up, because I want you to know that not all instructors, organizations, etc. are open to you training with those outside your dojo/org. My shito ryu sensei years ago, was only open to me cross training in goju ryu and aikido/aikijujitsu. He had me thinking boxing was crap (I laugh at that now), and a bunch of other BS. Only because of him closing down the dojo and relocating too far away with heavy fees, forced me to start Muay Thai...and than land into knockdown karate. After I graduated high school, I cross-trained all over my area, in many different styles. I was never brash enough to go challenge instructors, but I did end up taking on entire dojo a few times..in what started out as friendly sparring. I also had a couple of people challenge me, but never show. One of the would-be challengers was somebody I trained with years earlier, when he recognized me, he laughed and told me he heard about me..and came to challenge me until he realized it was me LOL. I'm no world champion, I guess my biggest claim is I've never been knocked out cold or broken my nose!!! I take pride in the latter, because almost everybody I've trained with over the years has had one or both happened. It's all a matter of luck, though...one of these days that will probably come to an end, like everything else does . Osu!
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 16, 2013 20:50:35 GMT -5
By strange coincidence, I find myself leaning more and more towards how Gary is with martial arts. I'm letting this be known, because perhaps you need to talk to the "other side" of the debate, too...or "the middle" of people I know that believe in a lot of what Gary and I are saying, but they keep it secret (quite a large group). To make matters worst, there are some organizations, where depending on where you live in the world, you can cross-train in other styles, with others...but if you're in other parts of the world, you will be expelled. I won't name any orgs, but trust me, they do exist, and I know others on here know of at least one of them. I bring all of this up, because I want you to know that not all instructors, organizations, etc. are open to you training with those outside your dojo/org. My shito ryu sensei years ago, was only open to me cross training in goju ryu and aikido/aikijujitsu. He had me thinking boxing was crap (I laugh at that now), and a bunch of other BS. Only because of him closing down the dojo and relocating too far away with heavy fees, forced me to start Muay Thai...and than land into knockdown karate. After I graduated high school, I cross-trained all over my area, in many different styles. I was never brash enough to go challenge instructors, but I did end up taking on entire dojo a few times..in what started out as friendly sparring. I also had a couple of people challenge me, but never show. One of the would-be challengers was somebody I trained with years earlier, when he recognized me, he laughed and told me he heard about me..and came to challenge me until he realized it was me LOL. I'm no world champion, I guess my biggest claim is I've never been knocked out cold or broken my nose!!! I take pride in the latter, because almost everybody I've trained with over the years has had one or both happened. It's all a matter of luck, though...one of these days that will probably come to an end, like everything else does . Osu! Osu! That was a great read! I love the idea of cross training and wish more opportunities for it (boxing, judo, muay thai) existed in my area.
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 16, 2013 21:19:01 GMT -5
To all those who offered advice, Today was the day I told my Sensei about being invited to train at another dojo. I started off very vague, simply stating that I'd be in that town for a day and had been invited to train at another dojo. This almost doomed me from the start. He immediately expressed a slight discomfort with it, explaining the issues behind it(which did make sense to me) and that he would rather I didn't. He went on to express that it's actually not allowed, even, or something of that nature. Then he asked me, "what style of Karate is it? And when I told him that it was a closely related Kyokushin style/offshoot he showed immediate favor that I would be so inclined as to train at such a closely related style. He went on to explain that he'd initially assumed I'd be visiting a completely different style of Karate, and was concerned about that(again, for reasons that seemed very sound to me, not just politics). He then further explained that while he doesn't have a problem with the style I will be training with that day, there are political ramifications within the Kommunity which prevent him from endorsing me to go train there. What I took from it? I'm going to train this Saturday with my buddy and there has been no ill-feelings brewed between me and my own Sensei. And I applied, to some degree during the course of conversation, everything that everyone in here suggested. Thanks again for the help!
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 21, 2013 21:12:38 GMT -5
It's been a total of 6 days that I can actually say I have made a dedicated effort to spend time kicking the wall with chusoku (with a sock on ) and, I don't know if it's just all in my head or what but, I'm noticing a little more life in my toes and overall frontal area of my feet!
Especially the left which is my trouble foot as far as chusoku goes.
Thanks GJEC for that advice!
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Post by GJEC on Oct 22, 2013 1:55:12 GMT -5
Glad to help.
Remember to 'tap' rather than a full blooded kick. We don't want any damage or swelling.
Gary
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Post by kyokanrik on Oct 22, 2013 9:10:18 GMT -5
Glad to help. Remember to 'tap' rather than a full blooded kick. We don't want any damage or swelling. Gary Thank you, will remember!
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