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Oct 30, 2013 8:12:45 GMT -5
Post by meguro on Oct 30, 2013 8:12:45 GMT -5
I think the sport angle gives you the most bang for your buck. Tinkering with the rules and technique could yield an activity that makes everyone happy.
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Oct 30, 2013 17:11:08 GMT -5
Post by hokuto12 on Oct 30, 2013 17:11:08 GMT -5
Agree with you about the way Aikido trains. It starts of with the wrist grab and you do the move. However it never gets any further than that. No added agression or realism to it. Some say that you are learning the movements and all that. Aikido could be much better if they trained it differently. Added some randori or something.
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Post by GJEC on Oct 31, 2013 2:37:33 GMT -5
The subject of spirituality / self improvement is also usually seen as 'owned' by traditionalists as well. I find that amusing. People will argue from a lofty place that only refinement and perfection of technique can lead to refinement and perfection of character. Oh really? I'm not sure where facing your fears and building a backbone comes from in some of the MA dojo I've visited that dismissed rough sparring as barbaric and unnecessary. I found the skills I needed on the mat required just as much effort and attention to detail or they failed when I got tired. The self-improvement I sought was a bit more self-belief, not some zen-like state that allowed me to smile that irritating "you just don't get it do you?" smile that zealots all over the world reserve for the uninitiated. Gary
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Post by meguro on Oct 31, 2013 3:44:25 GMT -5
I know exactly what you're saying, Gary. They prey on peoples' insecurities: invent a reason for people to feel unworthy, and then promise them a cure that can only be attained far off in the distance. Self-belief is anathema to the cure. If folks believed in themselves, why would they stick around for a specious cure? Much better, I would think, to offer good exercise and good company instead of feeding insecurity.
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Oct 31, 2013 4:38:06 GMT -5
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Post by GJEC on Oct 31, 2013 4:38:06 GMT -5
They prey on peoples' insecurities: invent a reason for people to feel unworthy, and then promise them a cure that can only be attained far off in the distance. Self-belief is anathema to the cure. If folks believed in themselves, why would they stick around for a specious cure? Sounds like some religious cults! To me the only faith you need is faith in yourself. Some find that through sport in which case trophies or titles are just a sideshow. Gary
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Oct 31, 2013 10:17:27 GMT -5
Post by curlbroscience on Oct 31, 2013 10:17:27 GMT -5
They prey on peoples' insecurities: invent a reason for people to feel unworthy, and then promise them a cure that can only be attained far off in the distance. ... If folks believed in themselves, why would they stick around for a specious cure? Much better, I would think, to offer good exercise and good company instead of feeding insecurity.I am guilty of doing that to myself in my personal training in Karate. Just Karate, not weightlifting. Weightlifting can be measured with a set value that is pass or failure. Karate on the other hand can be subjective, especially for preservation of lineage. Sometimes the gut check is a great motivator. Too much and it's defeat. "You will never be good enough, practice." "Train harder, get stronger." To what end? That's why I like the philosophy behind Easy Strength. I try to enjoy the process now, but it is hard to give yourself credit in Karate when that is usually is given by a senior. Our dojo matches the last statement. We pick things up, put them down and hit things really hard. We also have a good time doing it and build long lasting relationships.
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Post by MMX on Oct 31, 2013 11:19:20 GMT -5
Well the Tucson Enshin dojo operates much the same way Curl. That is why I love it so.
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Nov 1, 2013 4:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by meguro on Nov 1, 2013 4:01:57 GMT -5
Karate can be subjective, but it doesn't have to be. You can measure flexibility. You can gauge fighting prowess by wins and losses. The most important test however is subjective, and that is the happiness test- does Karate make you happy (or content, or secure, or feel good about yourself)?
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