evergrey
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Post by evergrey on Dec 2, 2013 16:27:57 GMT -5
OSU!
So this is now a popular staple in knockdown fighting. Does anyone know when it started to become popular, and where it came from? When did it become popular in Kyokushin, especially, and through whom?
And what's the Japanese name for it, again?
OSU!
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Post by MMX on Dec 2, 2013 16:39:29 GMT -5
That has been popular for a good almost 10 years. Kaiten Geri or sometimes kaiten mawashi Geri is what I have heard it called.
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Post by meguro on Dec 2, 2013 17:33:32 GMT -5
It goes back. I think there's vid of Gary O'Neil throwing that kick. Kaiten do mawashi geri. I've landed it once, but can't say I enjoy it. Just like TGU's it is work to get back up off the ground and I am not getting any younger.  |
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Post by evergrey on Dec 2, 2013 17:39:49 GMT -5
Haha, funny you mention Garry O-Neil, Meguro! Quinn Shihan answered my question on Facebook thusly.
"Not back in the 60s, although the back kick arrived in full contact in about the 2nd All Japan in 1969. The jumping spin back kicks were around from about the 2nd/3rd World Tournament but these kind of kicks arrived probably with a peek in at the 4th Worlds with Michael Thompson, Nick da Costa, Andi Hug and Ademir da Costa influencing the next wave of kickers. Then with Midori, Garry (O'Neill) and Piotr Sawicki doing some pretty funky stuff in the 5th and 6th, it all really took off after that.
That's just a quick trip down memory lane so perhaps others can fill in the gaps."
I don't think it's an appropriate kick for my body type, sadly.
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Post by evergrey on Dec 2, 2013 17:47:27 GMT -5
Epic.
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Post by meguro on Dec 2, 2013 17:50:16 GMT -5
There are so many kicks, Ev. You will find lots to make your own. I am still hobbling around due to a side kick I received to my ankle, thrown by a guy I had swept to the ground.
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Post by jared on Dec 5, 2013 12:19:04 GMT -5
This kick has been around for at least the 15 years I have been training Kyokushin. It's basically an over thrown spinning back kick. I am not a fan of it because there is no risk if you miss. It's basically a free shot at a knockout and then they reset you.
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Post by evergrey on Dec 6, 2013 5:08:50 GMT -5
Yeah, my jury's kind of out about that. A big part of me thinks there should be some sort of penalty if you hit the floor and don't accomplish anything. I don't know, though.
One thing I do know- me trying to do it, well, it'd be like trying to throw a rhinoceros with a trebuchet. Not going to happen.
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Post by wullie on Dec 6, 2013 8:48:32 GMT -5
Yeah, my jury's kind of out about that. A big part of me thinks there should be some sort of penalty if you hit the floor and don't accomplish anything. I don't know, though. There is quite a high risk of injury throwing the kick, it's an all or nothing thing. Personally I like it. One thing I do know- me trying to do it, well, it'd be like trying to throw a rhinoceros with a trebuchet. Not going to happen. hey, if I can............   |
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Post by GJEC on Dec 6, 2013 8:49:36 GMT -5
I suggested some years ago (BKK) that if the kick missed and the opponent was able to immediately throw a controlled punch (like after a sweep) they should score a waza-ari.
That was vetoed after a high ranking instructor said "We need people to try them and the crowd love them"
Gary
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Post by wullie on Dec 6, 2013 8:52:03 GMT -5
I suggested some years ago (BKK) that if the kick missed and the opponent was able to immediately throw a controlled punch (like after a sweep) they should score a waza-ari. That was vetoed after a high ranking instructor said "We need people to try them and the crowd love them" Gary never really understood why they didn't allow that but I do agree that the crowd love them |
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Post by GJEC on Dec 6, 2013 9:02:21 GMT -5
I suppose you've got to encourage innovation and daring or we're back to "Weardown" fighters rather than "Knockdown" fighters.
Less and less people will pay £20 to get a sore arse watching low-kick-and-shita-tsuki all day. There has to be the odd flash of brilliance.
Gary
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Post by Ros on Dec 6, 2013 11:05:36 GMT -5
It's not really innovative and daring any more though, is it? The very rare time that it works the crowd goes 'oooh' but they do that with any successful knockdown. It seems that the crowd gets just as tetchy at seeing repetitive wheel kick failures, and I have
certainly noticed groans and tuts all round at 'yet another' one. Personally, I don't like them and think there definitely should be some penalty for missing your target and leaving yourself vulnerable on the floor.
Just out of interest, is the knockdown audience made up of anything other than friends & family of the fighters and other karateka?
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Post by MMX on Dec 6, 2013 11:14:50 GMT -5
I think the fighters that have made it work know what their plan is. They usually wear out their opponent a bit first and when they see it then they use this kick to take them down.
Its the "Spammers" that don't know what to do with a move that make it silly. There was a guy at Sabaki a few years ago who just kept trying to land a Jodan Ushiro Mawashi Geri and after a few times he got swept hard by his opponent. Just because you can or like that technique does not mean it will work every or any time. Adapt or lose.
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Post by evergrey on Dec 6, 2013 13:03:08 GMT -5
I think around here only friends and family know about it! I only ever see tournaments advertised at dojos or amidst martial artists on forums and groups. Nobody cares about watching other people's kids fight, here, but they also don't care about watching adults do knockdown. They're all about MMA.
It's amazing when it's pulled off well. I agree about the spammers. Even with the great fighters, it seems very hit-or-miss. It does make it look more interesting than a slugfest... I can see both sides of the argument.
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