blacktiger
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Feb 5, 2014 16:41:40 GMT -5
Post by blacktiger on Feb 5, 2014 16:41:40 GMT -5
On a side note, does it really matter what colour belt system one has? Why is one colour system acceptable yet another isn't. If it doesn't conform with the masses Does that make it a McDOJO, if that's what you think, then regardless of time in Martial Arts, you still have much to learn.
Kano invented the belt system, Funakoshi adopted it Sosai decided to use a different colour system to the others. Why is it ok for him but not ok for someone else.
This is why MMA is so popular because they've done away with the internal politics of who has what colour belt etc.
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Post by GJEC on Feb 6, 2014 1:50:11 GMT -5
I fully admit I have much to learn, don't we all? But it's time for a bit of honesty here. When people cut and mix styles and add in their own improvements, change the belts etc etc, it is no longer the style they started in.
By claiming you still teach Ashihara, a 'knockdown' style, people are naturally curious. If you claim a high grade but have never competed (in knockdown/sabaki) or trained champions of your own, then people will wonder how? and why? When you talk about points fighting and belts to honour football teams the confusion grows and credibility is undermined.
You don't have to justify yourself or your decisions, but if you set yourself up as a top man you must be able to accept criticism, it goes with the role.
So my advice for what it's worth is follow your own path as you wish, but don't talk others down or tell them where they're going wrong until that path has a clear direction and has proven its worth.
Gary
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blacktiger
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Feb 6, 2014 5:17:42 GMT -5
Post by blacktiger on Feb 6, 2014 5:17:42 GMT -5
I fully admit I have much to learn, don't we all? But it's time for a bit of honesty here. When people cut and mix styles and add in their own improvements, change the belts etc etc, it is no longer the style they started in. By claiming you still teach Ashihara, a 'knockdown' style, people are naturally curious. If you claim a high grade but have never competed (in knockdown/sabaki) or trained champions of your own, then people will wonder how? and why? When you talk about points fighting and belts to honour football teams the confusion grows and credibility is undermined. You don't have to justify yourself or your decisions, but if you set yourself up as a top man you must be able to accept criticism, it goes with the role. So my advice for what it's worth is follow your own path as you wish, but don't talk others down or tell them where they're going wrong until that path has a clear direction and has proven its worth. Gary Thanks Gary, Really appreciate your guidance. As I know you had formulated Charnwood Karate so have experience of "creating" a variation of Karate. I take on board what you're saying and I am doing my best to change things and put myself and my club into the Fighting arena. And If I changed the colours back to the same as Ashihara NIKO Karate does that make it more acceptable or not? So maybe the fact is I actually don't teach Ashihara Karate but its a separate style in itself Black Tiger Karate, Which is fine many have separated from main systems before and survived. If this is the case Out of respect for Hideyuki Ashihara Kancho; the Kata I have formulated from the original Kata can no longer keep the name used in othe Ashihara Karate Styles. I've graded as I have withing the set times as per the syllabus and don't claim a grade I haven't earnt; I don't claim 5th, 6th or 7th Dan just the grade I've earnt. I am happy to receive critique as its something to learn from, what I don't accept is unstructured comments which have no direction or focus. I have much to learn I never confess to be an expert and will always be an eternal student of Karate regardless of path followed. But what I'm seeing is that IF I follow the Knockdown arena of Karate, then I am to be intirely judged on fighters and championships not the context of my karate.
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Post by GJEC on Feb 6, 2014 8:37:43 GMT -5
The thing is, on a forum titled 'knockdownfighters' the core interest is knockdown and it's variations. Success leaves a trail and instructors will be taken more notice of if they are successful. If David Pickthall posted on here I dare say his experience would get a lot of interest.
But for those from different systems with little or no knockdown experience, I guess this will be harder to get. One thing I do know after 40 odd years of this is that the hardness of the sport naturally makes people a bit cynical of unproven ideas. To get respect you need to give evidence of personal or coaching ability.
I know you've not asked for my advice here but if I were you I'd train some good fighters up and get some results. If that's NOT possible I'd go back to basics and cut out all the extra stuff and new variations. I wouldn't lock horns and argue about style and methods with respected fighters. They will simply say "How do you know?"
Just my 3p.
Gary
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Feb 7, 2014 2:36:32 GMT -5
Post by Ros on Feb 7, 2014 2:36:32 GMT -5
I can understand the colours of the belts as my original white belt is yellowed through sweat and time etc so its possible. Just feel a tiny bit nauseous at the thought of that. Ewwww, give it a wash!
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blacktiger
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Feb 7, 2014 5:36:39 GMT -5
Post by blacktiger on Feb 7, 2014 5:36:39 GMT -5
I can understand the colours of the belts as my original white belt is yellowed through sweat and time etc so its possible. Just feel a tiny bit nauseous at the thought of that. Ewwww, give it a wash! Its in a sealed plastic bag so its safe.
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Feb 7, 2014 8:15:38 GMT -5
Post by Ros on Feb 7, 2014 8:15:38 GMT -5
Just feel a tiny bit nauseous at the thought of that. Ewwww, give it a wash! Its in a sealed plastic bag so its safe. Admittedly, prevention would have been better than cure; why didn't you wash it before it got in such a parlous state? Actually, why on earth are you keeping it when it's in such a parlous state?
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Feb 7, 2014 8:30:06 GMT -5
Post by GJEC on Feb 7, 2014 8:30:06 GMT -5
"The belt system has no documented period during which it consisted of little more than a white belt that changed colors due to lack of hygiene"
It's a myth.
Gary
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Post by monty on Feb 7, 2014 8:42:15 GMT -5
Its in a sealed plastic bag so its safe. Admittedly, prevention would have been better than cure; why didn't you wash it before it got in such a parlous state? Actually, why on earth are you keeping it when it's in such a parlous state? What are you talking about Wash a belt! Do you not know that washes away the spirit or power or chi or something
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Post by GJEC on Feb 7, 2014 9:05:39 GMT -5
I have an image of somewhere - years ago - a little uchi deshi was given a gi to wash and boiled it all in together. The resultant pink gi (it was a red/white belt) caused hoots of laughter and the old master was not best pleased.
So he slapped the uchi deshi purple and screamed "NEVER wash belt!" (Read in whatever accent you feel most appropriate)
And so a myth was born. All over the world the disciples that hung on the old masters every word refused to wash their belts, little realising it was one uchi-deshi's ignorance of washing temperatures and an old masters aversion to pink that caused all the trouble.
The end.
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Post by Ros on Feb 7, 2014 10:34:35 GMT -5
Tee hee, I can just imagine that, Gary!
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Feb 8, 2014 15:30:17 GMT -5
Post by yann on Feb 8, 2014 15:30:17 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, the belt system was introduced to denote ability (of technique in the dojo) but then expanded on when money came into play'............. Surely, if the style you do has a written syllabus, and you want to continue in that style, it's just progression? (or kaizen) etc... osu yann
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