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Post by karate4life on Jul 15, 2015 0:51:37 GMT -5
Sometimes a break is needed to evaluate. I am fortunate that Enshin as it is a pretty modern take has most of what you are looking for with a lot less of what you don't like. Osu! Yes, evaluation and careful consideration of what I really want and need. If I had something like Enshin, or Ashihara, or Kudo, or or or near me I'd be there yesterday. I've always loved Karate and will always do, but is it arrgogant to say that maybe I've simply outgrown the classical dojo environment? Not because I'm so freakin' awesome, but just because I'm too old for BS?  |
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Post by meguro on Jul 15, 2015 4:17:12 GMT -5
Sometimes a break is needed to evaluate. I am fortunate that Enshin as it is a pretty modern take has most of what you are looking for with a lot less of what you don't like. Osu! Yes, evaluation and careful consideration of what I really want and need. If I had something like Enshin, or Ashihara, or Kudo, or or or near me I'd be there yesterday. I've always loved Karate and will always do, but is it arrgogant to say that maybe I've simply outgrown the classical dojo environment? Not because I'm so freakin' awesome, but just because I'm too old for BS? There is no good time for BS. |
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Post by karate4life on Jul 15, 2015 12:37:25 GMT -5
Consider the following quotes in a kickboxing gym:
"So here's an exercise about which I only have the slightest clue. It's a pattern, you can now work on it for the rest of your life and see if you gain some insight into what it means. Actually nobody really knows what it means, it's totally open for interpretation, but from now on spend at least 25% of your training time with this."
"OK, this is how we train our basics. Watch out for correct form. And once we spar, you do something totally different and forget about the basics. There's not connection whatsoever between the way we fight and the way we train our basics."
"You have to bow to me and say OSU because I'm the instructor here. Regardless what I'm handing out to you you'll never complain."
"We use ancient means of conditioning and strength training even though there are far better and much more advanced and scientifically proven tools available."
Unthinkable, of course. Such a gym would run out of customers within 3 minutes. Still, it sounds familiar, doesn't it?
Sounds bitter? Maybe. It's just what I feel right now.
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Post by slaine on Jul 16, 2015 7:53:13 GMT -5
Consider the following quotes in a kickboxing gym: "So here's an exercise about which I only have the slightest clue. It's a pattern, you can now work on it for the rest of your life and see if you gain some insight into what it means. Actually nobody really knows what it means, it's totally open for interpretation, but from now on spend at least 25% of your training time with this." "OK, this is how we train our basics. Watch out for correct form. And once we spar, you do something totally different and forget about the basics. There's not connection whatsoever between the way we fight and the way we train our basics." "You have to bow to me and say OSU because I'm the instructor here. Regardless what I'm handing out to you you'll never complain." "We use ancient means of conditioning and strength training even though there are far better and much more advanced and scientifically proven tools available." Unthinkable, of course. Such a gym would run out of customers within 3 minutes. Still, it sounds familiar, doesn't it? Sounds bitter? Maybe. It's just what I feel right now. Having trained kickboxing myself these are very easy statements to make as people that train kickboxing do so for very different reasons than people that train karate , in my opinion. |
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Post by karate4life on Jul 16, 2015 7:56:16 GMT -5
Consider the following quotes in a kickboxing gym: "So here's an exercise about which I only have the slightest clue. It's a pattern, you can now work on it for the rest of your life and see if you gain some insight into what it means. Actually nobody really knows what it means, it's totally open for interpretation, but from now on spend at least 25% of your training time with this." "OK, this is how we train our basics. Watch out for correct form. And once we spar, you do something totally different and forget about the basics. There's not connection whatsoever between the way we fight and the way we train our basics." "You have to bow to me and say OSU because I'm the instructor here. Regardless what I'm handing out to you you'll never complain." "We use ancient means of conditioning and strength training even though there are far better and much more advanced and scientifically proven tools available." Unthinkable, of course. Such a gym would run out of customers within 3 minutes. Still, it sounds familiar, doesn't it? Sounds bitter? Maybe. It's just what I feel right now. Having trained kickboxing myself these are very easy statements to make as people that train kickboxing do so for very different reasons than people that train karate , in my opinion. What do you mean by "easy statement"? And yes, I agree. I may not like all folks that train in a kickboxing gym, but from what I have observed the level of BS is much lower (or let's say there's different BS going on). But fantasy role playing games? I don't think so... |
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Post by slaine on Jul 16, 2015 8:19:04 GMT -5
Having trained kickboxing myself these are very easy statements to make as people that train kickboxing do so for very different reasons than people that train karate , in my opinion. What do you mean by "easy statement"? And yes, I agree. I may not like all folks that train in a kickboxing gym, but from what I have observed the level of BS is much lower (or let's say there's different BS going on). But fantasy role playing games? I don't think so... I mean for the people making the statements they are very easy things to say , people in my experience take up kickboxing for fitness and then sport orientated reasons and not the myriad of other reasons that one starts karate , not least the self protection end of things which would be high on a lot of peoples lists . |
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Post by karate4life on Jul 16, 2015 9:00:12 GMT -5
Funny you'd say that, given the fact that Karate should be SD-oriented.
What about you, Slaine? I remember you writing elsewhere once that you are also the type that does not fit into a classical dojo environment anymore.
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Post by slaine on Jul 16, 2015 9:08:25 GMT -5
Funny you'd say that, given the fact that Karate should be SD-oriented . No you misunderstand , that is what I'm saying , karate is or supposed to be SD oriented whereas a kickboxing gym is fitness / sport driven. |
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Post by meguro on Jul 16, 2015 9:52:20 GMT -5
Karate means many things to many people. It delivers on some of what it is purported to provide, and falls short in many ways. What the sport side of combat martial arts, which includes knockdown, boxing, kick-boxing, judo, enshin, kudo, etc., are good at delivering with regard to self-defense is exposure to a level of stress, risk and pain that, apart from brawling in the street, inoculate the individual against violence.
Traditional Karate is an abysmal failure as martial art, unless by "art" you mean dance, "character development," or whatever touchy feely means of self-expression one imparts to it. For me, "martial art" ought to be martial science (which excludes magic, chi, and woo): fighting principles that stand on their own. BS is some guy telling you your stance is wrong or hand placement is incorrect because they do not conform to an esthetic, but when pressed to provide an explanation sputter,"tradition."
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Post by karate4life on Jul 18, 2015 8:32:39 GMT -5
Karate means many things to many people. It delivers on some of what it is purported to provide, and falls short in many ways. What the sport side of combat martial arts, which includes knockdown, boxing, kick-boxing, judo, enshin, kudo, etc., are good at delivering with regard to self-defense is exposure to a level of stress, risk and pain that, apart from brawling in the street, inoculate the individual against violence. Traditional Karate is an abysmal failure as martial art, unless by "art" you mean dance, "character development," or whatever touchy feely means of self-expression one imparts to it. For me, "martial art" ought to be martial science (which excludes magic, chi, and woo): fighting principles that stand on their own. BS is some guy telling you your stance is wrong or hand placement is incorrect because they do not conform to an esthetic, but when pressed to provide an explanation sputter,"tradition." T-shirt worthy quote, as always. Thanks for putting it into words better than I could with English-as-a-second-language skills. So what to do next? Besides being frustrated I don't really have a clue. |
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Post by meguro on Jul 20, 2015 17:23:41 GMT -5
The important thing is not wasting time on things you do not like. This is not to say that I am now doing everything that I like (who has the time, money and get-out-of-jail free cards?); but I can say with confidence that I am on my way to a better karate. Draw up a list of things you dislike and for each find a solution or don't give it another thought. In the process you will have either fixed what is broken or found something better.
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