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Post by meguro on Aug 31, 2016 16:09:26 GMT -5
This vid has some relevance to our conversation
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GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Sept 1, 2016 1:31:13 GMT -5
I think training should be approached exactly like any other important part of life. A combination of good habits and smart choices.
It's a good habit to challenge yourself regularly. It's a smart choice to only test yourself occasionally.
But it's neither a good habit nor a smart choice to get repeatedly punched in the face.
Knockdown has its limitations, for sure, but as a coach I want people to improve and stay as injury free as possible. If they want repeated head shots they are welcome to join the boxing class at the gym.
Gary
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Post by meguro on Sept 1, 2016 11:04:38 GMT -5
There was a line in the vid about more smart training instead of more hard sparring. Rare is the knockdown coach who wants his students to remain injury free, so many it seems to me were beguiled by the idea of toughness but blissfully unaware about what is entailed in recovery.
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Post by MMX on Sept 1, 2016 11:51:39 GMT -5
Awesome. You guys are awesome. I agree with both of the above. Train hard but train smart. No reason to repeatedly get demolished.
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Post by residentrenzo on Oct 23, 2016 20:45:28 GMT -5
Just seen the movie Concussion. Makes sense that being tough guy for many years takes a toll in your body... didn't know about mental deterioration and dementia issues. Scary stuff indeed. Agree with Gary 100% there. It's absurd to even think repeated head trauma would prepare for real life or death confrontations. More likely it would leave you severely handicapped even before that which you would want to avoid. Better keep feet on ground and learn to flee than learning to block pavements.
I'm on a break from training now. Not because of injuries, just took a break. Could also be I just got tired of being a walking punching bag. Or even feeling stuck and bored with kata, frustrated with kumite.
I wonder how older generation Kyokushin guys survived through hard training of the tough KK era. If it's smart training, then it'd be very important to learn exactly how to train that smart way. 'Don't get hit' / learn footwork / etc is quite vague... need to figure out and learn i]exactly[/i] what to do.
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Post by tmd on Feb 19, 2017 4:46:20 GMT -5
There's been a lot said in this thread already so it's hard to add too but here are my thoughts anyway.
If we are talking about self protection then taking head shots in sparring is semi irrelevant, against an unpaded fist it really doesn't mater if you've sparred head shots for years of not, that sucker lands it's going to hurt like hell, and significantly more than the padded first you are used too.
Yes if you trained head shorts you might move but, possibly into more trouble if the only expected secondary attack is another headshot. if you drill defending a headshot in a self protection application rather than in sparring it can also become as much of a reflex action and the head movement you would expect to see from someone used to swing headshots, remember there is only a lack of head shots in knockdown not in Kyokushin.
I teach that both the first two blocks are against headshots, parry and retaliate in one, but in also a great believer that if you are resorting to these you weren't paying sufficient attention and had missed an opportunity to strike first and avoid having to bob, weave, parry or block.
If the style you do over focuses on headshots you may, under pressure throw either of the first 2 punches everyone will throw, if you drill a variety of attacks maybe in your moment of fight or flight you may throw something less expected, less likely to kill (which in 99% of encounters is a very good thing) and still enable you to walk away.
First time posting on here for awhile and on my phone so apologies for any grammaticals - I'll check and edit it latter :-)
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