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Post by meguro on Apr 25, 2016 3:02:20 GMT -5
OsU! chakuriki, your post slipped by me.
What is not seen in the kata is more important than what is observable, probably the main reason why kata is bass ackwards.
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Post by GJEC on Apr 25, 2016 5:55:06 GMT -5
There are no samurai clip clopping about now in iron geta, ready to cut us down if we practice subversive fighting arts for the coming uprising ...
So why we need to retain hidden stuff escapes me.
Kata are historical training methods. So are chest expanders and barbells where the weight was altered by adding lead shot.
We need to move on and exclusively practice and pressure test what works. In safety of course ...
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Post by meguro on Apr 25, 2016 9:38:23 GMT -5
Kata are like the written word. One can trace the figures and from that act derive something debatable, which is where we are today, or one can understand them, and with that understanding build a repertoire of drills, combinations, in fact complete fighting systems. It sounds like hooey, but if you consider the very simple chudan soto uke for a second. To me it represents the principle behind of a straight arm-bar. If you know how one works, you can figure out how any other works. As an instructor, you can then devise drills, set-ups, counters and tactics for your students to occupy them for many years. The observable is a second or third choice response to a punch, the unobservable is an entire syllabus.
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Post by GJEC on Apr 26, 2016 11:53:41 GMT -5
Well I guess we'll have to agree to differ.
I know for me my training became far more purposeful when I focussed on being a predator. As you've said before, that worked well for me as a 6' powerful male while a smaller person might need more artifice.
My recommendation is always grab with the weaker hand and repeatedly smash into the jawline with the dominant hand. I've seen good results even with kids doing that to adults.
Each to their own. Belief is key so if you trust it, power to you.
Gary
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Post by meguro on Apr 27, 2016 7:51:25 GMT -5
Well I guess we'll have to agree to differ. I know for me my training became far more purposeful when I focussed on being a predator. As you've said before, that worked well for me as a 6' powerful male while a smaller person might need more artifice. My recommendation is always grab with the weaker hand and repeatedly smash into the jawline with the dominant hand. I've seen good results even with kids doing that to adults. Each to their own. Belief is key so if you trust it, power to you. Gary I won't argue against a grab and smash: economy and violence in one neat package. Instead, I would like to reframe the problem and that is controlling position. Striking and fleeing work perfectly in the long distance, but not so well when one is tied-up, for example the punchee in the grab and smash scenario. If both combatants are grabbing and punching, the odds are even (obviously size, aggression, and surprise all have a role in this). It would improve one's chances immensely if one could turn the opponent's grabbing hand into a liability with the use of locking technique. It would improve one's chances immensely if one could utilize the close distance necessary to grab and smash as one's workspace to trip, throw and otherwise takedown. I am with you on plan A (grab and smash), if it works on the first or second shot you get home sooner. But we've all hit some delays in our commute home. Think of this other stuff as plan B (safety belt, air bag, spare tire, GPS).
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Post by azam on Apr 27, 2016 9:18:38 GMT -5
I wonder what you think of Patrick McCarthy Meguro.
I've like a lot of what he's doing - I think it might be right down your alley.
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Post by meguro on Apr 27, 2016 10:43:40 GMT -5
A guy I know in Tokyo, the branch chief of Meibukan Karate, thinks highly of him. I only know him through his videos, which I find interesting, certainly much better than the standard jumping over a stick interpretations of kata applications. He's spot on about the influence of Chin-na. If I have the opportunity, I would study with him. I like how he shows the kata/kihon moves after demonstrating the applications here.
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Post by GJEC on Apr 27, 2016 10:58:15 GMT -5
Its all a question of how much time we have to spend on our plan B
I guarantee the majority of people on his seminar thought it was fantastic, then slipped back within days to doing what comes easily to hand.
Gary
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Post by meguro on Apr 27, 2016 11:16:30 GMT -5
The beauty of plan A is it's simplicity and effectiveness, no argument. Hockey players do it all the time without a warm-up or instruction. I've mentioned before that if I were to have my own dojo, the first thing I would teach would be an overhand right and a head butt, next grab and smash, so that any white belt could go home much improved after the first lesson. In this way I'd have plenty of time left over for plan B.
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Post by meguro on May 2, 2016 10:38:48 GMT -5
"The only difference is in the method of training," that's a pretty big difference, and it's the big lie of traditional karate.
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Post by MMX on May 2, 2016 11:47:41 GMT -5
Right.
Funny that you have this video.
We were working on some Enshin kata with just the black belts (the Ryu Sui kata) and without practicing the applications it can become very abstract and I can easily see how over generations if the kata was taught without the applications how it becomes what traditional kata is now.
So anyway after practicing the applications with each other the kata flowed a lot more smoothly.
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Post by meguro on May 8, 2016 11:20:38 GMT -5
Here are some sweeps found in Silat. The low sweep, buaya (the crocodile) corresponds to a pose in Kanku. Most interpretations of this move in Kanku would have you take a dive to avoid a strike, on the outside chance your attacker is wielding a barge pole. Without first learning the applications, and practicing with a partner, interpreting kata from the dance is indeed bass ackwards.
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Post by MMX on May 9, 2016 11:28:56 GMT -5
Good stuff. Reminds me again of some Enshin set up/sweeps like Ura Nage and Tai Otoshi.
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Post by meguro on May 20, 2016 4:46:30 GMT -5
By now, you're all thinking," man, this must be what it's like to get cornered by a Jehova's Witness." Yeah, maybe so. This is the stuff that sets me off: a respected karate master demonstrating how juji use is used to block a low front kick. Can you blame me? Has any body blocked a front kick this way? It's the equivalent of hearing someone opine that a portable Smith &Corona typywriter is the best thing for cracking walnuts. Yes, such advice might work, but information of this type should only be accepted as jest, not the solemn word of a master. The following is a video I created recently. Though it doesn't address the front kick "defense" mentioned above, it illustrates some other basic technique from a more practical, I think, approach than what you might find in traditional karate. Things to look for: angles of entry; spike with the elbow; hikite and Kibadachi as components of a takedown technique; practical application of a low stance as opposed to some old dude's whim.
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Post by meguro on May 23, 2016 10:23:07 GMT -5
I deleted the video of the kata demonstration and juji uke defense in the previous post. My apologies, but I do not wish to single out one man. I mean to criticize a system that enshrines silliness. Ask questions. It is a skeptic's approach, the way of a man without religion in the martial arts. I recommend it to all because it prevents misspending money, and more importantly, time. There's a joke with a measure of truth in it-Q: How do you get to Carnegie Hall? A: Practice, practice practice. However, if something is wrong with the practice, all the sincere dedication could be for nothing and all you might get in return is a worn out strip of cloth.
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