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Post by meguro on May 4, 2016 5:24:49 GMT -5
I'm confident that you would have had that offending branch beat, even as a white belt. Flinching, ducking and covering-up are reflexes not often reinforced in karate, to our detriment IMO. There is something to the circuitous, by the numbers Jodan uke that is being left out.
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Post by Tay on May 4, 2016 7:40:59 GMT -5
azam, Judging by what you said, it seems that you're looking for a dojo like this one: www.goju-karate.co.uk/-they do Knockdown sparring (30 man kumite is required for 2nd dan grading) -there are less kata than in Kyokushin -they focus a lot on the application of kihon and kata -they train grappling -they train weapons -"toughening, conditioning & sparring aspects of Kyokushin" - check -"Kyokushin/Uechi ryu hybrid" - check good luck in your quest
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Post by GJEC on May 4, 2016 10:17:32 GMT -5
azam, Judging by what you said, it seems that you're looking for a dojo like this one: www.goju-karate.co.uk/-they do Knockdown sparring (30 man kumite is required for 2nd dan grading) -there are less kata than in Kyokushin -they focus a lot on the application of kihon and kata -they train grappling -they train weapons -"toughening, conditioning & sparring aspects of Kyokushin" - check -"Kyokushin/Uechi ryu hybrid" - check good luck in your quest I second that. Gavin Mullholland is one of the good guys and by all accounts an excellent instructor. Gary
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Post by slaine on May 4, 2016 18:42:22 GMT -5
"For example if I'm taught jodan uke and the applications/reference points I'm given don't actually work - where do I go" to satisfy my curiosity... what applications are you given for jodan uke? Three come immediately to mind that I've come across: 1. Jodan uke for receiving straight punch (I see this one everywhere - nearly always in zenkutsu dachi). 2. Jodan uke as a blow to the neck, after weakening a lapel grip. 3. Jodan uke as a means of creating space to initiate single leg/sweep. Funny that as I was never taught any of the above as applications for jodan uke ?
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Post by azam on May 5, 2016 15:25:43 GMT -5
^^^
That's a bit strange.
You've never done the Jodan uke for receiving a straight punch & countering with your own?
The bunkai for all those jodan/age uke applications are all over youtube - they're pretty common. Any bunkai orientated class or portion of a class I've ever done in Kyokushin has either done one of those three things - pretty consistently.
Just curious - what applications have you done then?
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Post by azam on May 5, 2016 15:46:26 GMT -5
azam , Judging by what you said, it seems that you're looking for a dojo like this one: www.goju-karate.co.uk/-they do Knockdown sparring (30 man kumite is required for 2nd dan grading) -there are less kata than in Kyokushin -they focus a lot on the application of kihon and kata -they train grappling -they train weapons -"toughening, conditioning & sparring aspects of Kyokushin" - check -"Kyokushin/Uechi ryu hybrid" - check good luck in your quest Osu - thanks for the input Tay. I'd love to go to DKK - I think you already sold me on it when you mentioned it before to me lol - it's on the other side of London though which is an issue. From my experience it's hard to keep consistently training at a place where you have to drive well over 1h30mins to get to - I mean I had to do that when I was going Tokei (just over an hour & a bit - sometimes more in traffic) & it made training very inconsistent and why I had to look for somewhere more local. The training at Tokei was excellent - I have yet to find a place that killed me like that every session - Sensei Orlando is a great instructor - it's just a shame the journey time back & forth made it difficult to commit to consistent long term training. I may pop in though 1 day to see what the DKK is like. I've heard great things about Shihan Mullholland as well.
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Post by slaine on May 5, 2016 15:54:21 GMT -5
^^^ That's a bit strange. You've never done the Jodan uke for receiving a straight punch & countering with your own? The bunkai for all those jodan/age uke applications are all over youtube - they're pretty common. Any bunkai orientated class or portion of a class I've ever done in Kyokushin has either done one of those three things - pretty consistently. Just curious - what applications have you done then? I graded black belt back in 1990 so luckily or unluckily with didn't have youtube or the internet and we'd practice far more practical and effective methods for blocking punches to the face , the primary application for jodan uke was always to stop a downward strike or attack with an object to your head which could be followed up with a lock and takedown , there are others involving grip breaks and counters but a bit difficult to describe in writing .
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Post by azam on May 6, 2016 8:50:14 GMT -5
^^^
I've done the downward strike one as well - incidentally that was one of the first I ever was taught but that was followed by using it to receive a jodan strike as well though.
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Post by slaine on May 6, 2016 9:44:03 GMT -5
^^^ I've done the downward strike one as well - incidentally that was one of the first I ever was taught but that was followed by using it to receive a jodan strike as well though. As I've said I never practiced that against a jodan tsuki and the way you describe it it sounds like one of those completely impractical Shotokan drills I've seen so many times.
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Post by Tay on May 7, 2016 9:38:17 GMT -5
When I was doing Shotokan years ago we would do some 'Kihon Ippon Kumite' which is an organised 1-step Kumite where we're in pairs and one is throwing a specific attack and the other blocking/defending it. This exercise I believe is to sink in muscle memory some defensive reflexes. In those types of exercises we would be taught to use Jodan Age Uke to block a Jodan Tsuki. This is for example what they're doing at the beginning of this video:
This is most of the time what we would be taught and would drill for that technique in the generic Shotokan classes.
However I also remember one of the instructors was a bit more into Bunkai and street applications (he also trained the local police with some form of 'combat karate' based on self protection and without all the traditional fluff). That specific instructor I remember teaching us that the Jodan Age Uke was to block an attack coming downwards in a vertical angle at your head, for example someone trying to smash a bottle or a stick on the top of your head.
In Kyokushin, I'm pretty sure I was always taught it was for downwards attacks too and not for straight punches coming at your face.
But I guess this is a perfect example of how the application of some karate techniques are interpreted and taught differently depending on the instructor.
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Post by azam on May 7, 2016 10:15:05 GMT -5
^^^^
I've done the downwards attacks as well - I'm just kind of surprised about the jodan strikes. Maybe it is instructors but I've definitely done it for jodan tsukis as well. Maybe it's influences from other styles of Karate or maybe instructors preferences. Found a youtube video on a quick search:
I mean I've seen top instructors teach that as well - would like to avoid naming names if possible lol. But I already showed one video on here - you can check that post.
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Post by senshido on May 25, 2016 8:17:33 GMT -5
"For example if I'm taught jodan uke and the applications/reference points I'm given don't actually work - where do I go" to satisfy my curiosity... what applications are you given for jodan uke? Three come immediately to mind that I've come across: 1. Jodan uke for receiving straight punch (I see this one everywhere - nearly always in zenkutsu dachi). 2. Jodan uke as a blow to the neck, after weakening a lapel grip. 3. Jodan uke as a means of creating space to initiate single leg/sweep. thanks for that... something I use it for (after playing around) is to block a hook to the head, your arm is in a good position for following up from there too. P.S. I'll get back to your/our long post soon
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