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Post by powerof0ne on May 24, 2011 14:48:28 GMT -5
I have a student that shows a lot of potential that I hope sticks to training because I think it will help her in a lot of ways. However, she's shy to make much of an audible kiai and has a hard time saying Osu! that loud at all.
Just wondering how many of you have this issue with students and how often?
I've spoken to Senshido about this and he says it happens and goes away over time however I don't think I have had the problem before. I've trained with people over the years that have made some comical kiai noises but this is the first one that doesn't really kiai at all.
I've spoken to her about it and am not too harsh on her...yet, but it will definitely be a hurdle she needs to overcome before she grades.
Osu!
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Post by MMX on May 24, 2011 15:04:03 GMT -5
We got a few people that are like that. They have gotten better but still nowhere near where I would like to hear it.
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wullie
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Post by wullie on May 24, 2011 16:03:20 GMT -5
it can be a confidence thing, once she gains more confidence and feels more part of 'the group' i reckon she'll be sounding off loud and proud!
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Post by evergrey on May 25, 2011 1:56:54 GMT -5
OSU, usually seems like people get over it and get louder after a while!
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Post by fatjoe on May 25, 2011 2:30:16 GMT -5
Osu!
For some folks, that is gibberish that will never resonate from them. I have known a few people, mostly women/girls but a few men as well who refused to make any sort of sounds other then meek grunts. Even when instructing a class. remind them that using these expressions is whats expected in class, but refrain from berating or chastising them if they never do it!
OSU!!
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Post by powerof0ne on May 25, 2011 10:57:23 GMT -5
Osu! For some folks, that is gibberish that will never resonate from them. I have known a few people, mostly women/girls but a few men as well who refused to make any sort of sounds other then meek grunts. Even when instructing a class. remind them that using these expressions is whats expected in class, but refrain from berating or chastising them if they never do it! OSU!! This is the road I'm currently taking. Not berating her or getting on her case often about it. I have spoken to her a few times more or less in private it's something she needs to work on. Also pointed out besides me everybody else is a beginner in the class to try to explain to her that there is no need to feel nervous or shy (easier said then done LOL). If all goes well I'm hoping she decides to compete within the next year or so, she has a lot of potential if she just comes out of her shell  . Osu! |
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Post by GJEC on May 25, 2011 11:49:18 GMT -5
We had a brown belt who just couldn't kiai.
I know, I know, I should've stopped him earlier but he started as a very nervous (bullied) kid and I thought it would come as he got older. It didn't.
He was a brown belt for about 5 years but showed no interest in promotion. He's now stopped and I regret not being able to find the switch and getting him to 'open up' a bit.
You can't help everybody.
Gary
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Post by kev1969 on May 30, 2011 4:05:49 GMT -5
The problem is wide ranging and sometimes the kai will come with time, I do tho have the odd girly girl, who tho very technical are very shy too, I also have the issue with a young 12 yr old lad who is big lad and very strong and fights in our junior knockdown comps, but can I get him to do a decent kai? No, these students too are all brown belts, whilst writing this I'm realising they are all around the same age group, as far as I can remember I've not had the issue with an adult past blue belt osu. My instructor says to me, "there is a right time for everyone, their time shine will come"
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 7, 2011 16:32:45 GMT -5
I'm planning on testing students for their blue belt on September 30th and one of them is doing good except still doesn't kiai. I don't want to have a student that makes it to brown, even green that will not kiai.
However, everything else the student does is good and has a good work ethic, really tries in class so the work ethic and desire is there.
Osu!
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Post by meguro on Jul 7, 2011 17:56:15 GMT -5
Could be a confidence issue, might even be the underlying reason the person chose martial arts training. Fear of making a loud kiai, a loud osu, might also be tied to a fear of making mistakes, of being over cautious, of sticking out. I wouldn't let shy students slide. Their inhibitions will hold them back from progressing to their fullest potential. I have used the repeat after me approach and then broke into a silly operatic kiai or osu. The more extreme and ridiculous the better (you build up your own confidence doing this as well). Through this exercise, they may learn that their fears are unfounded and can then participate fully in the class.
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Post by ironcastknight on Jul 7, 2011 23:20:09 GMT -5
Some people just don't like kiaing and don't see the point in it. Don't need to make lots of noise to have an unyielding spirit, and don't need to squeal like one just blew an o-ring every time they throw a punch.
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 8, 2011 0:04:30 GMT -5
Some people just don't like kiaing and don't see the point in it. Don't need to make lots of noise to have an unyielding spirit, and don't need to squeal like one just blew an o-ring every time they throw a punch. There are different types of kiai and not all are very audible or audible at all however a beginner should do a kiai. Even in real Muay Thai there are "kiai". Go to any authentic Thai gym and you'll hear crazier sounds that you would never hear in a karate dojo, something that sounds straight out of a kung fu movie. The same student I'm talking about also purposely holds back in kumite however over the last few kumite sessions I've gotten her to do a bit moer. Just a little bit at a time but it's progress, nonetheless. Osu! |
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Post by seattle on Jul 12, 2011 20:52:21 GMT -5
I am not a big kiai'er. So sometimes it rubs off on my students, during kihon, usually no issues. But it just slips my mind while doing kumite, I get focused on kicking but. Maybe she is somewhat the same focus is on techniques and the vocal part falls off. Although when class is smaller it is harder for people to do things that makes them stand out, even if only in there mind.
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Post by yoshukai on Jul 12, 2011 21:11:08 GMT -5
I do not normally kiai during kumite. Mostly just exhauling. However, if I am getting tired and need a spirit booster, a good kiai always keeps me going.
Osu!
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Post by Ros on Jul 13, 2011 1:44:30 GMT -5
I do not normally kiai during kumite. Nor me - are you supposed to? |
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