wullie
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Post by wullie on Jul 13, 2011 3:33:50 GMT -5
I do not normally kiai during kumite. Nor me - are you supposed to? I do something that resembles a kiai when I get kicked in the nuts during kumite....... ;D
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Post by senshido on Jul 13, 2011 6:39:09 GMT -5
Kiai-ing during kumite used to be encouraged for points fighting, but its not something I've done or heard done at knockdown
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Post by yoshukai on Jul 13, 2011 8:05:04 GMT -5
I don't see it happen often. Some instructors still try and encourage kiaing during kumite, but in my experience these are the instructors who have never fought knockdown.
Like senshido said, it is encouraged in point fighting, though
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 14, 2011 13:40:35 GMT -5
I sometimes do during kumite and sometimes don't. Depends really how I'm fighting..if I'm using more of a Muay Thai way of fighting you'll hear some weird sounds come from me. If I'm fighting more of a Kyokushin way I don't kiai. I know this may sound weird to some of you but when I trained Muay Thai we were encouraged to make "sounds" and most people did during pad work, bag work, and training!
The tjakai system that I was taught often times seemlessly transitioned between kickboxing/MT and Kyokushin so a lot of the habits carry over for all the tjakai black belts I've known.
However, for kihon and kata, I like to hear kiai!
I also imagine thate the jutsu kai that BC taught was very similar to tjakai where it was a lot of kickboxing/MT mixed with the Kyokushin. I'm just assuming here since I never trained under BC like Senshido, Gary, and others did. Osu!
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Post by meguro on Jul 14, 2011 14:48:02 GMT -5
I'm usually wearing a mouthguard in kumite. Maybe you'll hear a humph or huh.
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Post by yoshukai on Jul 14, 2011 18:55:50 GMT -5
For me, it some times depends on how spirited the match is. If I don't really feel pushed, breathing works just fine for me. However, when I feel pressured and pushed sometimes that kiai gives me that extra little pop that I need.
I agree 100% with PO1 on the kihon and kata comment. Good strong kiai is necassary in basics and kata. If everyone in a group is doing a really strong kiai, the energy can be felt in that room.
Osu!
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Post by senshido on Jul 15, 2011 6:55:29 GMT -5
I also imagine thate the jutsu kai that BC taught was very similar to tjakai where it was a lot of kickboxing/MT mixed with the Kyokushin. I'm just assuming here since I never trained under BC like Senshido, Gary, and others did. Osu! The kickboxing etc was only introduced in about 1995/96 before that it was just karate. There was also a very small element of Judo as BC was an international judo player as a teenager
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Post by MMX on Jul 15, 2011 11:08:15 GMT -5
A good kiai in Kumite is a good surprise tactic. Sometimes it just scares the crap outta people and you can get in a good hit.
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 15, 2011 11:51:30 GMT -5
I also imagine thate the jutsu kai that BC taught was very similar to tjakai where it was a lot of kickboxing/MT mixed with the Kyokushin. I'm just assuming here since I never trained under BC like Senshido, Gary, and others did. Osu! The kickboxing etc was only introduced in about 1995/96 before that it was just karate. There was also a very small element of Judo as BC was an international judo player as a teenager Soon after posting that I went on the website and saw that . I think I remember seeing you mention that he spent some time in Thailand training Muay Thai? I could be wrong. You were still under him in '95? Or if I'm wrong, ignore what I'm going to ask next. Was the kickboxing required for all to train in or did you have a choice? Meaning, did he sort of combine both into one syllabus? Osu!
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Post by senshido on Jul 16, 2011 7:37:46 GMT -5
yes he went to Thailand for a spell, along with another senior Sensei at the time, that was just before he introduced it. Yes I was with him until 2000ish, it was compulsory for everyone as he decided it would give us a more rounded style. Like most of us at the time, we knuckled down and got on with it, but it wasnt for me really, it was the main reason I left, if I wanted to be a kickboxer, I would have gone to a kickboxing school! The kick boxing training ate into my karate training time!... not good
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 16, 2011 12:00:49 GMT -5
The way I'm currently teaching has a Kyokushin base with some kickboxing/MT added into it. At the stage I'm teaching now it's to give them a taste of face punches and combinations with face punches but the focus is Kyokushin and knockdown kumite, not "k1 rules", "MT" sparring, etc. In fact, the syllabus so far doesn't even have any kickboxing or MT techniques in it for any belt requirements. I think I may require 5 rounds of "k1 rules" sparring for shodan but that's probably the only way it will. I have had some inquire to me when they will do more kickboxing or MT and I tell them later . I explained to all of them I think it will make them more well rounded in the long run to have the Kyokushin base instead of introducing kickboxing/MT and then trying to add Kyokushin later. Easiest way I can explain this is try to take somebody that's always sparred with face punches and then later on tell them they can't face punch anymore. I think that's more confusing then starting them under knockdown rules and then gradually adding them in. My students agree with me after I gave them this analogy and I honestly believe Kyokushin utilizes more angles and a variety of kicks more often then MT does. Also, the focus on body punches is a bit more then most MT gyms I've trained in. Anyway, sorry to distract away from the thread I started LOL! I was a bit curious how the jutsu kai is/was that BC teaches . Osu!
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Post by senshido on Jul 17, 2011 12:43:51 GMT -5
From experience I would say you are doing it the right way.
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Post by powerof0ne on Jul 17, 2011 23:03:17 GMT -5
Osu! Thank you Senshido, means a lot to me, coming from you. I'm not trying to exactly create a new style but I would just like to pass on "the other stuff" I've also learned along the way. I don't feel comfortable calling myself a "founder" of anything and don't know if I ever would so I'll stick to the current way I'm going about it. Osu!
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Post by pandorasvise on Aug 1, 2011 0:12:23 GMT -5
in my dojo, we incorporate other styles as well. We do belt test pure kyokushin but we learn and train to fight and defend with any style as long as it is effective. I have done judo throws in class, MT kicks, kali knife and stick handling, and brazilian jujitsu. It is all about being well rounded as a person and a fighter
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GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Aug 1, 2011 0:54:18 GMT -5
It is all about being well rounded as a person and a fighter Well said. Exalted.
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