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Post by powerof0ne on Nov 4, 2011 2:17:47 GMT -5
Just heard that jodan uke has been modified in IKO-Matsui, at least in one dojo, not sure if this is an entire IKO-Matsui thing.
"In class on Wednesday, I was told that Jodan Uke had now changed... and shown to use the forearm horizontal (instead of at an angle to deflect a blow), and the fist like a tettsui (instead of slightly hooked)...
Of course, I know this variation of making the block into an attack, but IMHO, it is just one of multiple variations on a tried and tested basic technique that should not change..."
Very interesting, and necessary? Eh, I like jodan uke the way it is, personally. In my opinion, the way it's being "changed" as described above could just be another technique, but with a different name...
Osu!
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Post by senshido on Nov 4, 2011 5:14:31 GMT -5
IMO a horizontal arm is not as strong
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Post by walshy on Nov 4, 2011 8:50:00 GMT -5
We were taught it similar to this once as a forearm smash, not a change to the technique but as a possible variation. No need to change such a simple basic for the sake of it!
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Post by powerof0ne on Nov 4, 2011 22:02:47 GMT -5
IMO a horizontal arm is not as strong I agree, I don't think I would ever use it to block. I feel with the jodan uke, I can sort of use it to deflect as I move forward while doing it. If I did it horizontally as described I wouldn't feel confident and I'm fairly sure I would get hurt much more. Osu! |
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Post by Kurisu on Nov 10, 2011 17:50:13 GMT -5
As far as I know, it hasn't changed. Might be just one instructors "interpretation" of the technique.
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Post by powerof0ne on Nov 10, 2011 19:52:49 GMT -5
As far as I know, it hasn't changed. Might be just one instructors "interpretation" of the technique. I'll change the title and verify more with the individual. Either way, I find it very odd to change such a basic technique done practically identical in every style of karate I have ever studied or seen. Osu! |
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Post by yoshukai on Nov 17, 2011 20:23:34 GMT -5
A few years ago we had a slight change to our jodan uke.
Originally the jodan uke was performed with the palm of the blocking fist facing out. The angle of the block and the overall execution was not changed. However, we now perform jodan uke with the palm of the fist facing down our almost towards your face. The area used to block/deflect is now the outside of the forearm.
Osu!
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Post by powerof0ne on Nov 17, 2011 21:01:48 GMT -5
A few years ago we had a slight change to our jodan uke. Originally the jodan uke was performed with the palm of the blocking fist facing out. The angle of the block and the overall execution was not changed. However, we now perform jodan uke with the palm of the fist facing down our almost towards your face. The area used to block/deflect is now the outside of the forearm. Osu! Weird, I've never personally done jodan uke that way and just tried it out...feels a bit strange to me, but I think it's more because I've never done it that way before then anything. I'm definitely used to the palm facing out way...however I was first taught this so it was completely horizontal and later on down the road was taught to do it at an angle, but palm still facing out. The angular palm facing out way just feels natural to me years later, now. Osu! |
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Post by yoshukai on Nov 17, 2011 21:10:16 GMT -5
A few years ago we had a slight change to our jodan uke. Originally the jodan uke was performed with the palm of the blocking fist facing out. The angle of the block and the overall execution was not changed. However, we now perform jodan uke with the palm of the fist facing down our almost towards your face. The area used to block/deflect is now the outside of the forearm. Osu! Weird, I've never personally done jodan uke that way and just tried it out...feels a bit strange to me, but I think it's more because I've never done it that way before then anything. I'm definitely used to the palm facing out way...however I was first taught this so it was completely horizontal and later on down the road was taught to do it at an angle, but palm still facing out. The angular palm facing out way just feels natural to me years later, now. Osu! Believe me, it felt weird to me at first too! We have been doing it this way since around 2000. organization wide. Now, it feels much stronger than the old way. Osu! |
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Post by meguro on Mar 9, 2012 10:12:46 GMT -5
Does anyone remember when the jodan uke towards the end of Pinan sono ni was turned into a forearm smash to the face? It's tough making a huge organization change the way it views things. It takes time but it is worth it in order to keep things fresh. Two or three years back the entire Bulgarian team, I believe it was, used hiji uchi to attack the chest and upper arm to good effect in the America's Cup. A horizontal arm may be just strong enough when applied to the neck or jawline. I know it hurts like hell when slammed against my deltoids. ;D
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Post by deaken on May 31, 2012 14:36:53 GMT -5
I have not heard of any change within IKO1 Matsui group on this. I was in Japan for the WT last November as coach and trained at Mitsumine, Honbu, Osaka etc while there. Jodan Uke was done as it always has been everywhere I trained. Also within our group in Canada it is dine as it has always been done.
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Post by MMX on May 31, 2012 18:32:14 GMT -5
Thanks Deaken.
Glad to see you post!
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Post by amphinon on Aug 16, 2012 13:02:02 GMT -5
WHAT!?! Something changed from they way Sosai Oyama taught it? Does that mean they are no longer Kyokushinkai? [/sarcasm]
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Post by yann on Feb 4, 2014 14:58:45 GMT -5
Interesting...jodan uke hasn't changed at all in bkk, It's always angled, no hooked fist, palm facing down. The explanation for the palm facing down was always given as 'the bone is then in the blocking position instead of palm outwards with wrist/tendons etc'.... That's what I was taught anyway.  osu yann |
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Post by meguro on Feb 4, 2014 23:25:27 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion that neither jodan uke nor gedan barai are blocks at all, though it's true that one might throw up (or down) a forearm to ward off a blow. This is purely instinctual. Even untrained fighters will raise their arms to defend their heads and faces, it's simply a flinch response. The horizontal (angled) arm, it seems to me, would better serve as a brace while you withdrew your other arm (hikite) from a sticky situation.
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