|
Post by MMX on Feb 15, 2012 11:28:12 GMT -5
Just wondering what everyone does for flexibility.
I do Dynamic Stretching before workouts and then static after for a cool down.
|
|
GJEC
Member
LOUGHBOROUGH ENSHIN
Posts: 3,218
|
Post by GJEC on Feb 15, 2012 11:33:51 GMT -5
Pretty much how we do it. Five minutes speedplay then dynamic stretches as per 'Stretching Scientifically' to get warm then a few minutes static stretching at the end (if I remember)
I encourage the members to do developmental stretches in their own time.
Gary
|
|
|
Post by meguro on Feb 15, 2012 11:47:34 GMT -5
PNF style in gyaku seiza followed by yoko keage.
|
|
|
Post by MMX on Feb 15, 2012 11:52:16 GMT -5
Now at the dojo I am subjected to the "official" warm up stretches.
What I tend to do is stretch but I don't push myself with those.
|
|
GJEC
Member
LOUGHBOROUGH ENSHIN
Posts: 3,218
|
Post by GJEC on Feb 15, 2012 12:07:44 GMT -5
I moved away from those. Our dojo has a last century window closing system that seems permanently stuck at the mid-point, so some days when we get started it's really cold. Asking for a full split within minutes seemed a bit risky.
I read an interesting article a few years back that claimed the traditional 'Japanese' warm-up used in many MA styles is not in fact Japanese at all. After Japan opened it's borders various academics were employed from all over the world and a renowned gymnastics teacher brought that routine to Japan where it was adopted for many school sports and the general population.
That might be a myth, but IF it's true, it begs the question: Why stick with it? In the UK things have moved on. There's a real danger with sticking with 'traditional' methods if they have been proved a bit unsafe, but even more so if they've been superseded by more effective methods.
While it's true that I've seen some extremely flexible people using those methods, I've also seen injuries. Most people don't notice them as the injured students drop out of training ...
Gary
|
|
|
Post by MMX on Feb 15, 2012 12:15:00 GMT -5
Wow that is interesting. All I know is that when I fill in for teaching we somehow forgot that routine...
|
|
GJEC
Member
LOUGHBOROUGH ENSHIN
Posts: 3,218
|
Post by GJEC on Feb 15, 2012 12:22:26 GMT -5
Here it is:
"... order of Educational System (Gakusei) in 1872, and in the next year, "Illustration of Room Gymnastics" (Shachu Taisoho-zu) and "Illustration of Gymnastics" (Taiso-zu) were officially presented by the Department of Education. Yet, it was not until 1879 that the National Institute of Gymnastics (Taiso Denshujo) was established and started for the purpose of training qualified gymnastics teachers and studying the systems of school gymnastics. George A. Leland was invited from America to systematize school gymnastics in 1879. His systems were drawn mainly from Dio Lewis, and were called "light gymnastics" (kei-taiso) and "normal gymnastics" (futsu-taiso). School gymnastics were then diffused by the rapid growth of national education.
In 1885, the Department of Education was reorganized into the Ministry of Education, and the Ministry promulgated a set of new Education Orders. Japanese education was moving toward nationalism, too, as the new orders for elementary, middle, and normal schools, excluding imperial universities, introduced "military gymnastics" (heishiki-taiso) as a compulsory subject. The light gymnastics was to fade out because of the introduction of military gymnastics. On the other hand, Motokuro Kawase, Akuri Inokuchi, and others actively introduced the Swedish system during the 1890s, and this permeated into many schools because of its rational and scientific system.
After decades of confusion, in 1913 the Ministry of Education proclaimed the Syllabus of School Gymnastics for the first time. In these, school gymnastics was prescribed to consist of gymnastics (mainly Swedish), military drill, and games. A nationally standardized system was established"
Gary
|
|
|
Post by MMX on Feb 15, 2012 12:36:16 GMT -5
Thanks Gary.
Have some Exalt for being awesome per usual.
|
|
GJEC
Member
LOUGHBOROUGH ENSHIN
Posts: 3,218
|
Post by GJEC on Feb 15, 2012 12:41:54 GMT -5
Thank you kindly!
This warm-up routine was done before baseball games at a school near where I stayed in Kami-Tsuruma. It seemed weird watching kids dressed in baseball kit doing a 'martial arts' warm-up, but Sensei Nakamura told me they used the same routine in lots of sports.
I can't say it's the direct descendant of the original Swedish exercises, but it seems likely.
Gary
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 18:25:35 GMT -5
Just wondering what everyone does for flexibility. I do Dynamic Stretching before workouts and then static after for a cool down. I do the same, but after my kettlebell workouts I've been doing isometric stretching for the front and side split and I've seen huge gains there in just the short time I've been doing them. Definitely not fun, but effective.
|
|
|
Post by MMX on Feb 15, 2012 18:32:39 GMT -5
Good tip! Thanks. I may try that.
|
|
|
Post by Ros on Feb 16, 2012 3:06:28 GMT -5
I encourage the members to do developmental stretches in their own time. I would like to be more flexible but developmental stretches scare the bejeezus out of me. How do you know if it's far enough or too far? Can I support myself for the recommended time? What if I can't? etc. etc.
|
|
GJEC
Member
LOUGHBOROUGH ENSHIN
Posts: 3,218
|
Post by GJEC on Feb 16, 2012 4:31:53 GMT -5
I'd just pick a couple - front / side splits for example - and use isometric stretches as in 'Stretching Scientifically'. (I'll lend you the book, copy what you need)
There's a whole industry of crap advice out there over stretching. The biggest joke is people who think ROM is the be all and end all. The important thing is to be able to get impact on target before the opponent has time to react or counter. To do that obviously requires flexibility of a sort, but not the usual contortions we are urged to work on.
The real requirement is muscles that can fire and move quickly within the required range of motion. Merely extending that range of motion is only a small part of the story.
Gary
|
|
|
Post by Ros on Feb 16, 2012 5:45:14 GMT -5
I'd just pick a couple - front / side splits for example - and use isometric stretches as in 'Stretching Scientifically'. (I'll lend you the book, copy what you need) Thanks. I ordered the book just the other day actually, as I thought it would be a good idea to conquer my stretching fears!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 6:07:56 GMT -5
I just got my hands on that book in January, Ros, and it's helped me tremendously with my stretching, especially my front splits.
|
|