evergrey
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Get over yourself, mate.
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Post by evergrey on Apr 3, 2011 4:37:46 GMT -5
I for one am against pot in the public and definitely not in the dojo. If someone is high I would not want them to train and I think the Sensei should ask them to leave and never come back. Yeah, well I kind of have to agree with this really. For one, I'm allergic to pot. People smoke it in public in the bay area all the time, and I've had some scary moments out on the street where I damned near stopped breathing altogether because some be-dreadlocked white guy wearing a hemp necklace on a bike went slowly coasting past with a lit joint. In the dojo? Oh hell no! Your mind isn't sharp, you can really hurt someone, or get hurt. I know, I've already said this... but it's crazy disrespectful too. If I get my own dojo ever... RRRRRRR. You want to do it at home, but wait until it wears off to come to class, okay fine. You have cancer and need it to counteract the nauseating effects of chemo? Okay. But don't you show up stoned or drunk or whatever else! OSU |
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Post by powerof0ne on Apr 3, 2011 11:07:55 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm against people smoking pot in public but I also don't like second hand cigarette smoke, too! That doesn't mean I am saying people shouldn't smoke cigarettes or pot, but they need to be considerate of others.
I went off on a small group of people last weekend at a public event that were blowing a lot of pot smoke into my girlfriend's and I direction.
It would be like if I was drinking beer and decided to start pouring or splashing it on people sitting in front of me IMHO. LOL, I wish I said that to those people or said "here, how do you like this?" while I started splashing beer on them LOL.
Anyhow, one guy in particular I used to know very well I know trained "stoned" but he did it so much and had such a tolerance that you wouldn't even know unless he told you he smoked some pot before training. I'm not sure if he still does this but he's a good Father, good to his wife, holds down a good job and is a BJJ black belt.
Osu!
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GJEC
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Post by GJEC on Apr 3, 2011 12:39:18 GMT -5
I was told recently that the 'new' Japanese Kancho of a major organisation horrified the parents of kids attending a seminar as he stood outside the sportshall smoking ...
Other top instructors seem determined to drink themselves to an early grave ...
Makes you wonder if martial arts send some of those with obsessive personalities deeper into addictions rather than helping them defeat them.
Gary
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Post by mitch on Apr 3, 2011 14:57:33 GMT -5
I was told recently that the 'new' Japanese Kancho of a major organisation horrified the parents of kids attending a seminar as he stood outside the sportshall smoking ... Other top instructors seem determined to drink themselves to an early grave ... Makes you wonder if martial arts send some of those with obsessive personalities deeper into addictions rather than helping them defeat them. Gary This raises the interesting question of what martial arts training is really about. Is it about being able to fight, or is it about being healthy? Or is it a bit of both? Learning to fight might include training methodologies that are harmful long term. Being healthy does not necessarily include being able to fight and would surely have to include a huge amount of stuff from outside the dojang. But does trying to accomplish both somehow compromise both? Hmmmm... Mitch |
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Post by GJEC on Apr 4, 2011 0:50:53 GMT -5
This raises the interesting question of what martial arts training is really about. Is it about being able to fight, or is it about being healthy? Or is it a bit of both? Learning to fight might include training methodologies that are harmful long term. Being healthy does not necessarily include being able to fight and would surely have to include a huge amount of stuff from outside the dojang. But does trying to accomplish both somehow compromise both? Hmmmm... Mitch I think being 'fit' starts from good health and being 'fighting fit' requires dedication and self-discipline, including the realisation that not poisoning/drugging/overfeeding yourself gives you a better chance of success. Of course obsessive behaviour and self-harm in the form of over-training or ignoring injuries to show 'spirit' is also self-defeating. It's a narrow and twisty path to the top in any sport or discipline and consequently few negotiate it successfully. Gary |
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evergrey
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Get over yourself, mate.
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Post by evergrey on Apr 4, 2011 1:08:15 GMT -5
OSU,
Smoking around others, cigs or pot or whatever, is even worse that splashing beer on another person- it's pouring it down their throat! And some people are allergic! I almost drowned once because someone came and sat by the side of a pool and started smoking a cigarette. I had a bad asthma attack, couldn't breathe. Luckily I was with friends who are very vigilant people, and they pulled me out of the water. Carried me in the house, got an inhaler (the host of the party has asthma) and got it in me. I was so panicked... people get this "I can do whatever I want! It's a free country!" attitude, but they don't think about the consequences. Personal responsibility comes with personal freedoms!
If you're a member of a community, of a society, you should NOT just do whatever you want. You should take others into consideration as well. And feeding your drug addiction is not more important than someone's life!
A strong and disciplined spirit should not give in to so much excess and addiction. That shows a lack of self respect. Of course, addiction can be a kind of compulsive disorder. I've been told it's a disease. So maybe it's too easy for me to sit in judgment about that... but you should not inflict your drugs on others! Just as you should not drive drunk, because then you might not just hurt yourself, but you might kill other innocent people who have been living clean.
Hell, nobody deserves to die because you tied one too many on and then wouldn't take a cab home.
I admit that my own problem is something Gary described above- I push too much when I am injured. It's a symptom of PTSD, I'm told... showing weakness is death, your instincts tell you, and you have to fight past it and ignore it so you survive! But I am a rational being and I should overcome this. I am getting better at it...
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