evergrey
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Post by evergrey on Mar 15, 2011 18:31:58 GMT -5
OSU, I've been invited to a tournament! It's an invitational down south, point sparring, not Kyokushin. If I'm somehow healed enough and able to afford the trip, I think I'd like to go, if Ashigeru says it's okay. Ever done point sparring? It looks like people have to wear a ton of padding, which confuses me because I have been told it's lighter contact than a typical Kyokushin class kumite round. It's an 8 hour trip, but it's in Santa Barbara, where I spent my last 3 years of high school. Run out of a Sambo school. Think I should go? It's exciting just to get an invitation to a tournament, really. My first invitation! OSU
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Post by mitch on Mar 15, 2011 18:54:30 GMT -5
Point Sparring covers a multitude of sins, what are the actual rules for your grade at this tournament?
Mitch
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Post by medguy on Mar 15, 2011 21:31:55 GMT -5
I started in point sparring in the mid to late 80s' before transitioning to WUKO style tournaments and then eventually bare knuckle full contact. Point sparring is everything that is detrimental to the study of martial arts.
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Post by smoke on Mar 15, 2011 22:08:40 GMT -5
I did a point sparring tournament when I did Isshinryu. Mind you, we didn't spar that way in class, but we were taught techniques that could be adapted to point sparring.
I was a brown belt at the time, or a belt below (which is green); I can't remember. I was penalized for hitting the head at a tournament and got in trouble for excess contact, which was asinine to me.
Point sparring taught me a lot of bad habits. For example, attacks. If a person tried to trap my hand, I would use his momentum to swing the hand the other way and slap him aside the head.
I have seem a plethora of different techniques and stances used that make me confused. Low crouching stances, and things like that, all for speed. I couldn't imagine that helping me in a self-defense situation.
Points are given on a judge's discretion. If your backfist doesn't hit the head, but the judge thinks it does, he still gives it a point.
Tournaments are fun. I like full-contact better, but what more fun is a point sparring tournament, especially when you're getting healed up?
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evergrey
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Post by evergrey on Mar 15, 2011 23:27:03 GMT -5
OSU,
Thank you for your input, folks.
Sensei feels that I have a lot more healing I need to do anyway, and he knows how I push myself. I sparred in class today and maybe went a little overboard, heh! got the SenseiGlare(tm) for that, but he knew it made me really happy to spar again.
Kinda bummed, but he's right. It would suck if I really messed myself up.
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 16, 2011 0:26:29 GMT -5
I did many years of WKF rules point sparring and even did some WTF TKD rules tournaments and freestyle foam dipped pad 'kroddy' point sparring tournaments as a kid/teen.
Some of the footwork you develop for point sparring can be good and your techniques but it's too much like playing tag.
I will say I liked the WKF rules more then the foam dipped tag playing point sparring because to score you typically have to do a proper karate technique. However, if you start blasting somebody really hard in the chest you don't necessarily get a point, neither LOL.
I have literally knocked people down to the ground with punches under WKF rules and received no point and this was during the waza ari/ippon days.
In WTF rules TKD you realistically will only score by kicking. I have also knocked down people with tsuki under these rules and received no points.
Bottom of the line is once I switched to Muay Thai, Kickboxing, and Knockdown karate rules I will never go back to point sparring rules.
I think it's okay for children but I don't understand the point of an adult doing it, just my opinion. Good thing is I don't think I ever once got hurt in a point tournament! I've seen some people get hurt but I never did *knocking wood*. I'm also now as an adult not a fan of kata competition in tournaments even though I did my fair share of it as a kid.
This also brings me to another point...if karate ever does get in the olympics it's going to be WKF rules. The WKF has been after the olympics for a very long time and already has relationships in place with the olympic comittees in various cuontries...when I competed under USANKF (sister to WKF) nationals it had the USOC/us olympic comitte banner also on their memoribilia and this was in the early to mid 90s. I can only imagine their grasp on olympics is even more cemented now. Osu!
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wullie
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I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything!
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Post by wullie on Mar 16, 2011 1:22:35 GMT -5
I used to get disqualified. A lot. Thats why I switched to full contact. Also the top points guys had the biggest egos I have ever seen, they reckoned they were the best fighters because they were good at playing tag? ? I did give one of them an attitude re-adjustment whilst getting changed after a big ukasko tournament in manchester, turns out he couldnt take a hit lol!
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Post by alan on Mar 16, 2011 2:49:26 GMT -5
our "fight club" many years ago was forced to put a team in a wuko tournament as a form of discipline, ( who said the powers that be didn`t have a sense of humour )
i was selected (told) i had to take part, rather like telling a veggie they have to work in a slaughter house!
however, because i was taking part i decided to take the training seriously, one of the techniques learnt was tapping the inside of the bottom of the leg/ ankle area to throw the opponent off balance....this is done quite firmly.
when i was first shown, tap. opponents hands spring open, reverse punch, whooow kaiiiiiiiiaaaaiiii= point, stand like bruce lee, take the applause, back to the "fight"
now this worked, so i thought i would try this when i got into a slugging match with the heavier side of things and again, it worked, when i see people standing toe to toe giving it large, i want to scream "work the legs!".....Darren Stringer is very good at this, next time you see him fight look out for it!
one of our squad won the tournament and we all learnt a lot, so my point is there is always something to learn if you listen.
as an afterthought, jeff whybrow a week after returning from k.d in Japan won an open non-contact wuko tournament at Crystal Palace.....that is what you call class!
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Post by wullie on Mar 16, 2011 2:54:11 GMT -5
....as an afterthought, jeff whybrow a week after returning from k.d in Japan won an open non-contact wuko tournament at Crystal Palace.....that is what you call class! if the guy can do kata backwards, he can do anything! he is just great full stop! OSU!
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Post by seattle on Mar 18, 2011 16:52:26 GMT -5
My first few fights were done at a point tournament. My Sensei did not really like point fighting so he did not exactly tell me all the rules before hand. He covered the important stuff, like look out for the silly backfist to the top of the head that will score. First two I got DQ'd, third one allowed more contact, but the referee told me "I like you fighting with everything, including the kitchen sink, but use some technique to score". At the time I did not realize he was trying to get me to use more control. My Sensei loved it all.
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 18, 2011 23:25:12 GMT -5
I tip my hat to any of you that can fight kickboxing, knockdown rules and go back to point fighting and actually do well. I can teach people how to point fight but I could never do it again myself..I know I would get disqualified. Osu!
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evergrey
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Post by evergrey on Mar 19, 2011 3:46:14 GMT -5
OSU, it would only have been for the one tournament, but I'm not really able to go anyway.
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Post by ironcastknight on Mar 19, 2011 15:50:21 GMT -5
I'd love to compete in tournaments, but all they have around here is point sparring garbage tournaments, and telling me to fight fast and light is like telling a whale to fly.
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Post by knuckleheader on Mar 19, 2011 17:45:33 GMT -5
All the "point" tourneys I fought, you were able too hit pretty hard.
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Post by powerof0ne on Mar 19, 2011 23:19:35 GMT -5
All the "point" tourneys I fought, you were able too hit pretty hard. Osu! The WKF rule ones I fought in you could but the foam dipped "freestyle" ones I fought in you would get points taken away and DQ'd. However, under WKF rules you could pretty much hit as hard as you wanted on the legal areas of the body but that doesn't mean you would score LOL! Why I like knockdown kumite a bit more because if you down somebody you get a point, doesn't matter if your technique was textbook or not...I'm not much into theory but into results. Osu!
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