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Post by meguro on Nov 30, 2013 2:52:23 GMT -5
Thank god for grainy footage. . But you know, a bunch of people today are taken in by HD video, often put up by Jesse. I can't help but shake my head in disbelief. I think a prerequisite to earning any spot on a kata championship podium is hard kumite, knockdown preferably, but Kudo works for me as well. If they can demonstrate any bunkai in the process, even better.
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Post by evergrey on Dec 1, 2013 3:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by GJEC on Dec 1, 2013 4:07:04 GMT -5
Load of tosh in my opinion.
When I was in Japan I was at Zama railway station with Yamaguchi Toru, one of Nakamura sensei's students when a young man walked up and said Osu!
I naturally assumed he was a Kyokushin (or other style) karate-ka but he was just someone he knew from the powerlifting gym. On asking why he said Osu! Yamaguchi explained that it was a greeting between sports people, not confined to karate-ka.
So Osu! signifies mutual respect in the right context. I don't say Osu! to my son's Japanese friends mother at school, why would I? I don't say 'Ave it! either.
Osu!
Gary
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Post by meguro on Dec 1, 2013 9:13:25 GMT -5
Aren't we fortunate to have Jesse define everything karate for us? How lost we would be. Before class remember to ask yourself, WWJD?
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Post by MMX on Dec 1, 2013 9:38:12 GMT -5
Let's not get too carried away with trashing the guy completely.
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Post by meguro on Dec 1, 2013 10:22:10 GMT -5
I got carried away. A little tired and cranky today. Pass me the prunes, and you kids over there, stay off the lawn!
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Post by GJEC on Dec 1, 2013 11:28:45 GMT -5
I'm not just saying Jesse but I do wonder why so many constantly reference back to Okinawa etc. I'm a Brit. We invented Rugby. I'd be monumentally stupid to host a Rugby blog constantly harping back to William Webb Ellis. No one cares any more if he said this or that or even what his vision was for the game. Nobody tries to analyse his moves for hidden meanings either They've refined and improved them and in many cases - gasp - ditched them in favour of better ones. The game has changed and the modern players are better in every measurable department, save possibly courage and love of the game. That never changes. Karate has changed and there's no point looking back 100 years. Embrace it! Gary
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Post by evergrey on Dec 1, 2013 16:50:01 GMT -5
Heck- for knockdown, look to Russia, these days! Heard of Elena Vorobyeva? She's amazing. When I want advice or clarification, I'll easily ask her as often as I'd ask a karateka in Japan...
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Post by powerof0ne on Dec 1, 2013 19:05:11 GMT -5
Can someone link me to this Jesse fellow? What I've noticed about those who reference Okinawa a lot is they usually have no idea what Okinawan karate really is. "Classical" Okinawan karate is very "common sense" oriented with a lot less kata, higher stances (stressed a lot as you get older), majority of kicks at waist and below, lots of grabbing in kumite, and so forth. Also, the point fighting you see for WKF/AAU/JKF/JKA etc. is not "Okinawan," but I'm sure many westerners will tell you it is "point fighting" as we know it is more Japanese because many of the young guns back when Funakoshi was alive also had a Kendo background and fused it with more of Kendo point system...which Funakoshi was also against..at least initially. However just as every other SPORT, karate has evolved in Okinawa, too. You don't see NBA basketball players using fruit/vegetable baskets for hoops like they originally did decades ago for basketball. I bring this up because here in the USA most that make it a huge point to say they're "Okinawan karate" are usually the furthest thing from it..it frustrates me a lot, or used to. One private dojo I've talked about a few times I had first hand experience that liked to say they were Okinawan, wouldn't let you do any kumite unless you were a black belt...also didn't believe in dan grades when I asked the head instructor what her dan grade was. They also first "interviewed" me by having their daughter bring out green tea to us, to which they greeted her in Japanese...this is a white family, mind you. It was all very very very odd and I didn't stick around for long..it was a shame because they have a nice small private dojo, and were very close by where I lived at the time. They also didn't want me to train with the other students and were worried I'd start my own dojo . They didn't want to spar me neither...very Okinawan, right? Osu!
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Post by evergrey on Dec 2, 2013 16:24:24 GMT -5
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Post by blacktiger on Dec 10, 2013 8:34:16 GMT -5
Well I had a sister thread on one of ther forums I'm on and got this response from quite a well respected Martial Artist in his own right (I asked his permission to add it here and he agreed) "I know Jesse! I also know his younger brother, Oliver, his mom Silja and his dad, Leif. He was born into a family of martial arts instructors and has been practicing the fighting arts since he was a child... actually, there might even be those who argue that point with me as his mother is a lifelong [Shito Ryu Kofukan] Karate and Taiji/Qigong practitioner and kept training the whole time she was pregnant with both boys! You might say, "it's in his blood!" While the entire family are [Japanese/Okinawan-based] traditionalists, they all also possess varying skill sets: His father has been a professional instructor most of his adult life and was for many years our Swedish representative. He is also a private security contractor for diplomatic protection service, and is accredited in Japanese swordsmanship [Mugai Ryu], Ryukyu Kobujutsu and Yuishinkai Karate [under Inoue Motokatsu] along with having traveled the world teaching and studying along with cross-training in a wide variety of disciplines. He's also trained extensively in Japan and Okinawa with the who's who, recently received his 10th dan in Okinawa and is also published. His mother has also been a professional instructor for much of her adult life, a physical therapist, 5th Dan and the owner/co-manager of the Combat Academy in Taby, Sweden. She has a long list of competitive accolades and important contributions which I am confident she wouldn't want me to list simply because she's such a genuinely modest person. Widely respected within her community, she's a wonderful person, a former champion, excellent martial artists and experienced instructor. His younger brother has also been training literally since he could walk! He's traveled extensively, cross-trained, has competed in kumite, kata and kubudo and has been a competitive champion several times over. The last few years he's turned his attention to MMA-style training and cage fighting with a couple of impressive wins to his credit. There's every reason to think Olly could wind up in the UFC in the not so distant future the way he's going. Jesse himself is, in many ways, a synthesis of all this and more. In addition to "literally doing it all," he's also lived, studied and competed in Okinawa and cross-trained a list of senior instructors that reads like the who's who of the fighting arts. In addition to being a competitive champion and the co-manager of the Combat Academy he was a longtime member of the IRKRS and developed a serious interest in the anthropology, ethos and application practices of the fighting arts, became published and is currently making a name for himself at "KaratebyJesse.com." IMO, the man is capable of training with the best of them and speaking intelligently on just about any fighting arts-related topic. I hope this helps.Patrick McCarthy International Ryukyu Karate Research Society www.koryu-uchinadi.comA link to the past is your bridge to the future "
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Post by blacktiger on Dec 10, 2013 8:43:43 GMT -5
I'm supprised Iain's site didn't allow you to keep this thread up, as It wasn't derogatory in any way.
Although I am getting a little frustrated on his site, it tends to be a liitle bit of back-patting for everyone who has a bit of "rank" etc. And of course BCA orientated which I've seen a few changes since he joined them.
One thing I wanted to add to a post in a thread I'm on there, but I know would have gone as well as a "wet fart in a lift", was "The Kata are very important to some as they've made quite a lot of money for certain people out of them" Gary will know the thread.
I might give his site a bit of a wide berth for a while as I'm rattling cages at the momment lol
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Post by GJEC on Dec 10, 2013 10:00:32 GMT -5
Sounds like Jesse knows what he's talking about, although I'm not sure his approach sits well with me. I hate being lectured at the best of times, but especially by people with no knockdown/sabaki experience.
Ken - On the site you mentioned I believe (for what it's worth) that people have invested too heavily in their own systems to admit there might be flaws in their thinking. Iain argues his points very intelligently but some of the others - I'm convinced - have never been hit really hard in their life.
The Fire Brigade had a great expression for people like that: They know the chemical formula for marmalade but can't get the top off the jar.
When someone gives a detailed description of how they fought off 15 Hells Angels using only (insert kata here) I just laugh my tits off.
Gary
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Post by evergrey on Dec 12, 2013 3:37:44 GMT -5
When someone gives a detailed description of how they fought off 15 Hells Angels using only (insert kata here) I just laugh my tits off. Gary Laugh my tits off. LAUGH MY TITS OFF.Oh oh my gods I am going to remember that and bust out with it at some really inappropriate time and I am trying so hard to not wake up my housemates laughing right now!
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Post by GJEC on Dec 12, 2013 6:23:20 GMT -5
We try to please on this forum with none of the stuffiness sometimes followed by others. Glad that 'tickled your fancy' Gary
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