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Post by meguro on Nov 23, 2015 12:54:02 GMT -5
I never claimed all uke are blocks - I said most are parries. You said that karate applications/techniques were meant for close range - I brought up the point of uke to clarify - why what you said is not true. I clarified this by saying you need distance to facilitate the timing of any parry - to prove my point. OK, let me restate, most traditional Kata applications are meant for use in close range fighting. The common uke (jodan, chudan, gedan, morote, shuto mawashi) although they can be used to block strikes (just like a crescent wrench can be used to crack walnuts) have more practical applications, principally joint and body manipulations. The still picture could be an illustration of jodan age uke or not at all. It looks like the defender's arm swept at a slight angle. Video would better illustrate your point because if the boxer did not perform jodan age uke just like karateka have done for countless repetitions, it's not the same thing. As I have said above, it is unproven that they are using the same technique. It is one thing to throw up an arm reflexively as in a startle reflex, quite another to cross arms and raise the horizontal arm while retracting the vertical to one's hip or waist according to karate fashion. See above. This is true, and it is a big mistake. I agree, however since we disagree about the purpose of stances there will be a huge discrepancy in what is taught and emphasized. I understand perfectly the importance of the transfer of momentum, sadly the front to back seems to be all that is in Shotokan's repertoire. Going back to my telephone game analogy, the less detail and more distortion, the less reliable the information. As I said, I do appreciate the mechanics of striking. Machida is a superb athlete with a tremendous work ethic. He could probably make any style work for him. That JKA kumite would work for everybody is very much debatable. To me, it looks like when municipalities embark on roadworks projects at the end of the fiscal year so that their budgets don't get cut (busy work). You could put anything before what I've highlighted, and in many cases it would lead to some disagreement because in Karate, especially Shotokan, it's almost always about striking. Striking may be the best response in certain ranges, but within arm''s length, striking may not be the best method of attack or defense. This is karate's blindspot, and it is very obvious when kata applications and stances are demonstrated. As to the neko ashi dachi vs kokotsu dachi, it has been said that the raised leg is to indicate the potential for a leg technique, presumably a kick. There is also much made about what percentage of body weight rests on the rear vs. lead leg. Such a waste of time in my opinion. Balance is not so big a deal if your are all alone. It becomes a big deal when there's somebody else pressuring you, leaning on you, trying to unbalance you. Kicking, at this point, is no longer an option and you must look to other technique. Nice find on the old pics. I appreciate that you bothered to look those up. My apologies for responding earlier on my Ipad. It was the weekend and I was feeling lazy.
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Post by azam on Nov 24, 2015 10:10:12 GMT -5
I agree a good deal of kata applications are geared towards joint/body manipulations. Not sure I agree with the other statement. Take for example mawashi uke (either shuto/hirate etc) - I think it is as equally good for parrying strikes and joint/body manipulation - in fact if I was to stipulate further - I'd say the parrying motions of mawashi uke found in Uechi ryu - that make the core of the style are much more practical. I think Uechi ryu has a better understanding of mawashi uke - it's not surprising because mawashi uke is the hallmark of pangai-noon. Age uke - is a rising block (in this instance). Obviously it isn't an exact carbon copy of age uke that we see in karate - however it is a rising block that bares a stark similarity with what we see with age uke in karate - it also rises in a similar manner. You need to also take into account that the old school boxers used these techniques in a full contact scenario - not in kihon/kata where there is no resistance to whatever you are doing. The age uke that is practiced in kihon/kata will never look the same in kumite under contact conditions. I think it's a bit far fetched to insinuate that three different prizefighters just happen to throw up the arm in a startle reflex - when it is quite clear in all the pictures I've provided that it is a demonstration of a block/counter by prizefighters that was deemed important enough by them to have an image taken to illustrate what was likely a legitimate block/counter. Furthermore - the reason I know it is a rising block to begin with is because the fighting stance of the old pugilists is well documented and is also strikingly similar to traditional karate. The hands are kept low as we see in traditional karate with the weight mainly distributed in the rear - all sound technical reasons for doing so - they didn't take such stances for show contrary to popular belief - good deal of science behind that stance. This was the general go to fighting stance of the day. I've got a few images of these stances for you: You'll notice the similarities just in the stance when compared to traditional karate. There is quite a lot of research/evidence that suggests similar applied arts. Better yet we actually have video footage where you can see both fighters taking the fighting stance above & all the other descriptions I gave about the prizefighters before like how they fought: There is quite a wealth of footage of the prizefighters that is extraordinary given that film was relatively new at that point. Unlike modern boxing - old school boxing had much more grappling involved. You can check footage for yourself - I'd recommend checking Jack Johnson too. Surmise to say from that stance/guard - the block is going to be rising to some degree. As it would in most guards even today. Does that mean it doesn't resemble age uke because they aren't doing it from the hip? I'd say further by all means try a rising block from your hip in kumite - to see how disastrous that would be. Well whatever you think of shotokan - out of all the Karate styles they do the best at hitting and not getting hit in the process - something that I can't say the same for Kyokushin, Goju & a whole host of other styles of Karate if I'm honest - can't say the same for many martial arts as well. Could they do more - yes of course but I don't think the back/forth should be made light of nor do I think it is follows your telephone game analogy tbh. It's one tactical approach of many in Karate's repertoire. As for JKA shotokan stances being transitions - I heavily agree with them and there is plenty of evidence to support the statement that they indeed are - both of physical footage of these stances being used as transitions in kumite/competition in JKA & other competition formats. Hell even Machida - follows the JKA statement verbatim. He probably could do any style I agree - however would that make him as successful at being able to hit & not get hit - I don't think so. Competitions are very useful for ascertaining style characteristics and in regards to JKA shotokan this does a much better job than any other martial arts style at hitting & not getting hit - in a consistent way among practitioners that no other style axcept maybe boxing achieves. To me hitting & not getting hit should be the ideal goal in stand up fighting. Just like Kyokushin does a better job at body conditioning than others. It works well for everyone in JKA competition. In free fighting or MMA - it would need to be applied under this scenario which is what Machida karate is - JKA karate melded to MMA. Every martial arts style gives you unique tools - JKA shotokan's unique tool is understanding distance control, weight mechanics, defense and countering - not so great at initiating attacks. Distance is the most fundamental/important aspect in stand up fighting - it's the primary principle and it governs everything. I agree with you totally here. Although I'll add that traditional karate had much more grappling aspects than we see now. I think though rather than add this to Karate - karateka should cross train in grappling disciplines to remedy this blindspot either with Judo, greco-roman or if you have a thing for older indigenous grappling styles - Indian wrestling - kushti that I'm currently researching.
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Post by meguro on Nov 24, 2015 10:29:37 GMT -5
I was thinking of our exchange when I wrote this. betterkarate.blogspot.it/2015/11/understanding-kata-couples-and.htmlThis is the prototypical Shotokan jodan age uke Are boxers really doing the same thing-crossing arms and hikite? No. Do karateka block like boxers during kumite? It appears that they do on occasion, which proves my point. All those many hours perfecting the jodan age uke only to abandon its form in application tells me that it is a waste of time. Boxers do the same thing without karate. So, what is it karateka are training when they do jodan age uke like in the video? The answer will not be found in a fighting context where no grabbing is allowed. I think you're overselling the value of Shotokan's stance switches. Flitting into and out of range is not magic, nor is it the sole province of Shotokan. Gary O'Neil conrols the range pretty well. Another is Norichika Tsukamoto These are just a few examples of controlling the distance and delivering power without any reliance on the switch from koktsu/ neko ashi dachi to zenkutsu dachi. On Shotokan's stance changes hitting and not getting hit, I found this video illuminating for two reasons:lot of guys are getting hit; the kata kumite disconnect. I wouldn't attribute the successful face punching to the quality of the stances so much. It appears more a deficiency in the guard and boxing skills. I hasten to add that Kyokushin shares in this. On the evolution of fighting stances, it is interesting that old school boxers stood like old school karateka. I wonder though if old school karateka really knew how to fight given they were trained in a children's physical education program with fighting elements removed, that they were taking cues from kendoists, etc. What do we know about them really? This video illustrates some "modern" fight stances. Pay attention to the so called street fighter stance and notice the hands. Move the hands a little closer together and you will get a picture of what the Kyokushin Kanku depicts. It is a gesture found in many kata, though most believe it is some salute to the sun or moon. It is the first person perspective through a street fighter's guard.
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Post by meguro on Nov 25, 2015 7:48:04 GMT -5
This is Shotokan. Even though it appears that I am singling out Shotokan, other styles of karate are also in my sights when the claim "karate is primarily a striking art" is made. That virtually all the training is based on this idea is not in dispute; however, the hole in this thinking is clearly visible in the video when for example the karateka charge at each other with their arms held in uchi uke/gedan barai. And again when after an opponent falls, the victor strikes a krotty pose. C'mon! All those gestures and poses pass without notice and only the kicks and punches register. I can tell you what these poses are all about, and they certainly involve more than striking or posing for dramatic effect. Traditional karate training has so far been about striking. The kata indicate that there is a lot more to it than that.
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Post by azam on Nov 26, 2015 8:54:33 GMT -5
Of course boxers aren't doing the same crossing arms/hikite in a full contact competition - even karateka don't do that in competition because you're likely to get punched in the face - if your arms or your guard are that low it's better to move your feet first before resorting to age uke because the likelihood is you'll get punched before you manage any block.
In Kata/kihon there is no resistance to whatever you are doing - it's just a demonstration of technique without full contact application - the mistake most karateka make is not applying what they learn in a full contact scenario where there is resistance. We both know that today in this day & age there are still a lot of karateka that do not do full contact sparring to apply what they learn in kihon/kata.
As for the hikite issue of karateka - I don't think karateka go in with the intention of using age uke only with hikite. Just like you wouldn't expect the JKA karateka down below to go about using mae geri in kumite in that manner. It's merely to emphasis a technique - doing so in hikite makes sense if you guard is lowered like the old school pugilists or traditional karateka - it doesn't otherwise make sense if your guard is different or also if you don't chamber your punches from the hip.
I'm not disagreeing with you that age uke has multiple applications. With most kata application I'm of the belief that there are grappling aspects and striking aspects - dual applications. We both agree that the grappling aspects are hugely ignored by Karate.
While I think of Gary O'Neil as a certified legend in Kyokushin - that's hardly a comparison and an incredibly poor example at that.
The fact that he doesn't have to worry about being punched in the face or having the need to do so whilst on the cusp of range is why that is a poor example. He doesn't control distance or range - flitting into and out of range anybody can do - that doesn't mean anything other than you choose to disengage/re-engage - the key is to be able to position yourself well to attack & defend while doing it (hit & not get hit) and more importantly being able to establish/dictate your range throughout a fight - that's how you hit someone and not get hit in the process - this is why Floyd Mayweather is soo admired despite his personality. It's basic stand up fundamentals that I learnt from others.
Knockdown karateka don't have to maintain distance/range because there is no face punching involved and the amount of conditioning/abuse that your body can withstand does not apply to your face/head. There is only one standard range that everyone in knockdown karate adopts - this is why knockdown is renowned for the slugfests. Oxymorons like O'Neil & Tsukamoto are rare and more importantly - O'Neil is not what I'd call someone who does distance control the way JKA karateka do - he's merely stepping out of range & re-engaging - a lot of the time he abandons it all together - Tsukamoto is the better example of the two but he's 1 man.
The only time you ever see any semblance of distance control in knockdown is when one opponent is much bigger than another - then the approach changes because there is only so much abuse a smaller knockdown fighter can take from one much larger than him/herself. Then the goal switches to dictating your range and hitting the bigger man without getting hit yourself.
JKA shotokan is not flitting in or out of range - it is a jostling match between who takes control of the distance & sets it. This is why it may look like flitting in & out - but they will jostle until someone makes that mistake, loses the jostle or attempts a chance. Weight distribution/stance/transitions is what aids dictating your range - to illustrate what I mean when I said this - you can't move out of range (if you're in range of your opponent) if you weight is mostly on your front foot right? You automatically have to switch the weight to the rear to move your front foot out of range (and yourself) - if you do this you'll notice it resembles kokutsu dachi's movement - as taught in JKA shotokan. If you want me to show evidence of this I can post some videos of Machida doing it, Masao Kagawa & other notable JKA shotokan karateka.
This is why I agree with JKA shotokan that stances are transitions at least as far as the stand up portion of karate goes.
A great Kyokushin karateka that demonstrates the above skill is Francisco Filho & to some degree Hug in K1. The reason so because the rules are different & punches to the head are included and range therefore becomes more important to avoid brain trauma.
My point still stands that JKA shotokan does arguably the best job at teaching the above fundamentals apart from maybe boxing. No other art teaches it as consistently. This is why you don't see many Tsukamotos in knockdown karate.
Again that isn't a great example. You have two karateka who practice controlling range (hit & not getting hit) and you're surprised that one eventually got hit? It wouldn't be much of a competition if no-one got hit...Eventually someone gives.
It's not the stances but the transitional movement of the stances - this is what is stressed in JKA. More specifically controlling range and the ability to shift weight seamlessly. You can't move out of range of a strike when your weight is mainly on the front foot for example, switching weight to the rear allows you to reestablish range at least linearly - if you are smart/good enough you will use this to make your opponents overreach, create space and counter ala Machida. This is why weight transitions are important and also to maximize leverage when striking.
The reason why opponents get hit in JKA shotokan is because they judged range wrongly - this means everything including there timing/reaction is off which means they get hit square. Of course if they had a higher guard they might do a better job of defending there face at least but they'd still be in the position to get hit - I'd point out that primary defense comes from distance/positioning/timing this is what JKA does a better job teaching than nearly every other style except boxing.
Well if you read up about the evolution of both styles it becomes apparent why they are so similar. It's also the reason why I think you see hikite in karate.
The guard in traditional karate and boxing were very much alike - low guard. The reason I think we have hikite is because as the guard was much lower - to protect the groin/extremities/liver/lower rib/spleen (all areas that are easily put you down if solid contact is made - I've been on the end of many of them lol) and the fact that the hands were fragile (making punching bare knuckle more cautious & less volume) added to the fact that to avoid a punch to the face simply required being out of range - the guard as a result was kept much lower and hikite developed in relation to this. The lower guard also aids in keeping you standing up if someone tries to take you to the floor (hooking in as you sprawl - something Jose Aldo is renowned for doing to avoid being wrestled to the ground - so you also don't give up your legs).
If we look at boxing - the low guard also initially developed under similar circumstances. I surmise that karate developed in similar circumstances too - this is why early old school boxing and karate share many similarities. In the case of Karate - there already existed indigenous forms of wrestling - tegumi which I have already mentioned - later absorbed into Okinawan sumo. In the case of boxing - during the Broughton's rules boxing included groin shots, grappling, eye pokes, chokes, hard throws etc. This is why the guard was so low and why the fighting stance was like that. If we watch old school boxers - you'll notice how easily they clinch/underhook or grapple when the fight gets close - in a way much more unique compared to modern boxers.
The low guard developed as a result of this and in karate's case hikite was also the addition - in practicing technique from a lowered guard which made sense in using hikite to practice kihon. The difference is as boxing evolved evermore into a sport/entertainment the lower guard was abandoned because of the additional gloves/rule change allowing limited grappling - only clinch, addition of illegal blows & the general shift in the nature of fighting meant boxing evolved past these origins whereas Karate has still held onto them.
If you recall the concept of ikken hissatsu - this is literally how the old school pugilists fought - if you watched that old boxing video. You'd notice everything was thrown with full leverage/power - I believe karate also operated in the same manner. The difference with boxing is they evolved through full contact fighting/entertainment as a sport - whereas Karate on Okinawa did not undergo the same evolution.
This is why I believe everything is done from hikite from uke to tsukis - it makes sense when your guard is low which we know karate had from visual/written evidence. No matter how you raise your age uke block from a lowered guard - it will resemble the age uke in hikite. It makes sense then to practice this using hikite.
I don't think you'll have any argument from me - there are grappling aspects to Karate that are hugely neglected/misunderstood but I think that you're underplaying the importance of the striking aspects in favor of the grappling aspects. I think both equally are important and are designed to deal with different ranges.
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Post by meguro on Nov 27, 2015 8:43:41 GMT -5
Of course boxers aren't doing the same crossing arms/hikite in a full contact competition - even karateka don't do that in competition because you're likely to get punched in the face - if your arms or your guard are that low it's better to move your feet first before resorting to age uke because the likelihood is you'll get punched before you manage any block. So it's established that we agree on this. Karateka are not doing jodan age uke in competition because it is ineffective. Instead they perform a more efficient sweeping motion similar to what boxers have been doing since forever. Some of kata and kihon are demonstrations of technique, some of kata and kihon are demonstrations of principles. The difference between technique and principle is that technique like a punch or kick is intuitive, you can use it straight out of the box, while a principle needs a little more instruction and understanding before you take it for a spin around the block. When you see karateka demonstrating kata applications, and then perform a martial artsy gesture, that is a sign that they are clueless about a martial arts principle alluded to in the kata or kihon (hikite for example). I talk about the principle of force couples in this article I posted previously. betterkarate.blogspot.it/2015/11/understanding-kata-couples-and.htmlThe videos linked to in the article depict the principle of force couples in hikite (as in gedan barai or manji uke) used to cause the opponent to rotate along the horizontal axis. There is also hikite used to apply leverage as in an arm bar. One might also consider the use of hikite as displayed in the common ice-hockey brawl, to fix the opponent's head and multiply the effect of a bashing. Hikite, I would argue, is not a relic of a forgotten low guard, but has functionality unappreciated by many karateka, even old-school Japanese dudes. I won't get into a discussion on the merits/demerits of Shotokan and Kyokushin. I think they both can be vastly improved. I see that you put great stock in Shotokan's seamless stance switches. But when one Shotokan guy goes down to another it is not because of the invincibility of the stance switching, it's because of crappy guards and defense (head movement). See my blog and the above for my opinion on hikite. A low guard may have been the norm for old-time boxing, and that rationale may have swayed old-time karate men too. Since you brought up ikken hisatsu, you really must consider that a low guard is where the hands were when they were wielding katana. I'd wager that the cult of the swordsman was more influential (not in a practical way) than boxing on early karate dogma. On guarding against a double or single leg takedown, lower hands are not as important as lowering one's center of gravity. Standing tall with your arms down does not address this threat, it merely invites another. I believe I dealt with these arguments already. I do not know whether ikken hisatsu can be equated with brawlers trying to connect with haymakers. I've heard the old stories of karateka staring down the opponent, each waiting for the other to make the first move so that they could counter with a decisive gyaku tsuki. These stories resemble the tales of swordsmen, grim of countenance, waiting and waiting to deliver the ikken hissatsu. Meh. The grainy footage of karateka sparring looks bad, nothing like romatic imagery. Don't get me wrong. I like striking. A lucky punch or kick is better than a wrestling match, and we all know luck favors the prepared. But, there are certain ranges where one type of fighting is better than the other. Without a referee stopping action or calling fouls, knowing the right technique for the situation can only be a good thing.
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Post by azam on Nov 27, 2015 11:19:22 GMT -5
Doing jodan age uke from the hip in competition is ineffective and close to retarded. The kumite application of age uke is the sweeping motion we see both boxers and karateka do. Just like many things we do in kata/kihon that are striking based don't look the same when in kumite. That article was interesting - I've known about force couples but I've never heard of them referred to as force couples before - always used push/pull to describe it. But interesting nonetheless. I had a look at the video of the crab claw - interestingly it is also shown in the bubishi. I remember seeing it in my own translated copy - I like the applications he showed as well. I'm sure there might be more to it as you insist since there is a push/pull. I believe lots of applications in karate are multifaceted - designed to deal with multiple ranges. From a purely striking perspective - jodan age uke for myself at least is a block & also a form of clinch. I've seen it used in both ways by old school boxers and the fact that old school karateka also taught this way makes me believe that from a striking perspective this is what it was intended for - striking wise. I think many are very dismissive of the older generation of karateka but I believe that they all had areas where they knew what they were doing & other areas where they were clueless. Out of all of them - Kanbun Uechi & Motobu Choki I feel are the best sources. Kanbun spent a decade studying Pangainoon with Kanshiwa straight from the source & Motobu Choki was someone who regularly tested his karate by getting into streetfights. Of course - I'm not saying seamless transitioning is invincible. There is much more to it. Of course if you don't transition your weight quickly enough you'll get a fist full of leather - i.e. if your range is off & you don't react as quickly. Angles, guards, head movement etc etc are also equally important. Nothing is invincible - since there are soo many variables involved. All I'm saying is transitioning weight is important not just for leveraging but maintaining your range/countering - something that JKA shotokan actively develops. This is why karateka in these competitions excel at getting that first strike in or countering off a strike. Here is Mayweather demonstrating what I'm saying - weight goes to the rear & it helps him create space/keep his range - so he doesn't get hit, he angles off to the outside and counters with a stiff lead - watch the slight weight transition when he counters - goes from his rear to 50/50 - doesn't maximize his leverage although he could - does it gently so he doesn't fully commit to it & moves off: Only difference with JKA karateka is that instead sometimes they move their lead foot first - the benefit being you switch stance if you follow a kokutsu dachi like movement. Here is Masao Kagawa demonstrating this; You can see movement in back stance here: Notice that Kagawa does it - you can see his lead leg drag slightly & his rear foot internally rotate while his weight goes mainly to his rear (hallmarks of kokutsu dachi) - but instead of remaining in kokustu dachi like the karateka in the video - he goes back to his fighting stance. And of course head movement & guard work in shotokan does suck. I think to some degree this is true - but nearly all stand up styles have a history with armed combat - sword fighting etc. I think though there is a much more practical reason that I've already mentioned - hands are brittle (if striking with knuckles), means lower volume of strikes thrown, striking to the body much safer - liver/spleen/floating rib/groin all areas that if struck hard will down you no matter how tough you are, therefore guard prioritizes these areas over head, punches thrown from lower guard are usually not seen by your peripheral vision - more chance landing etc etc etc. The ikken hissatsu thing probably did originate from sword fighting much like with boxing - the idea might have been to end a fight as quick as possible. Even though it looks like brawling - I wouldn't term the old school boxers as brawlers. Of course there were many different styles at work. If you watch Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey etc etc - they all had the fundamentals of fighting down to a T. They were well versed in parrying, weight distribution, centerline theory, angles, how to maintain range/counter - you should read some of the well written articles on these old school boxers. It really makes you appreciate what they were able to do and more importantly see the sweet science behind fighting employed by men that lived nearly 100 years ago. I definitely agree with you - it's a shame though that there are many that don't bother with grappling aspects and believe 'x' karate style is strong enough to deal with everything.
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Post by GJEC on Nov 27, 2015 12:57:44 GMT -5
I was always taught and still believe that takedowns and throws are far easier after a good hard blow.
But of course we like to be safe, so over time hard blows beforehand have been sidelined and people want to throw relying on compliance.
Big mistake IMO
Gary
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Post by meguro on Nov 27, 2015 19:14:16 GMT -5
I don't disagree, Gary. The thing is, like Rousey against Holm, if you are getting pasted because your opponent is the better striker, grabbing and throwing might be all you can do, and you still lose. OTOH, Rousey was unstoppable throwing and taking arms for a while. In order for Holm to have won, she had to have watched every bit of video on Rousey, and sparred as many virtual Rouseys in training. She may not have become a grappler, but she knew enough about grappling to avoid it and stay in her comfort zone.
Also, it is not like your opponent will let you approach close enough to throw. You've got to work for it using footwork and strikes; soften them up, and if you're lucky that's all you have to do.
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Post by GJEC on Nov 28, 2015 9:59:18 GMT -5
I said I'd keep out of 'traditional' kata threads ...
Sorry
Carry on chaps
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Post by meguro on Nov 28, 2015 13:26:50 GMT -5
I said I'd keep out of 'traditional' kata threads ... Hold on, I think we're on the same page when it comes to traditional kata! Where we differ is in our comfort zones, and there nothing that's absolutely correct about that. I would not like to fight a big chap such as yourself in your striking range. That would be sheer madness. Whether I'd do better closer in is debatable; could be out of the frying pan and into the fire. At least up close, I'd be able to throw some of my own strikes if not work in some grappling before the inevitable. Earlier I was thinking about what would give me more confidence in the striking range and boxing came to mind.
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Post by GJEC on Nov 28, 2015 13:50:26 GMT -5
i still think kata is a buffet. Find out what everything is, but only put what you like on your plate.
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Post by meguro on Nov 29, 2015 9:28:17 GMT -5
i still think kata is a buffet. Find out what everything is, but only put what you like on your plate. Gary I'm with you 100%. I'm just trying to point out which is the chicken salad and which is the potato salad, and no, the lemon infused finger bowls are not for sipping.
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Post by meguro on Nov 29, 2015 18:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by azam on Nov 30, 2015 14:53:36 GMT -5
I think that video isn't a serious shotokan technique or kumite video. I think it's just a bit of a trailer/movie type video - not really made to resemble reality. The uchi uke gedan barai running was hilarious LOL. Even better was the random gedan barai - probably done because it looks cool. But then again I think this is more of a martial arts choreography video rather than an actual shotokan kumite/technique video.
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