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Post by senshido on Mar 5, 2014 8:48:08 GMT -5
I like to think of my dojo as a Kyokushin dojo, not a knockdown dojo, I see a distinct difference. Unfortunately I think many others (not so much in the UK, although there are exceptions) that call themselves Kyokushin dojos are in fact knockdown dojos. I hope my rambling makes sense, it is after all perfectly clear in my head!
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Post by meguro on Mar 5, 2014 9:14:23 GMT -5
Within the knockdown community your dojo is part of a small minority. Not many address this aspect of fighting. That it is important enough for you to devote the majority of your time to it is commendable. nearly every Dojo i've trained at over here trains head punches, so perhaps we're not part of a small minority Knockdown dojo? That's good news to me. Every Kyokushin dojo I have trained in, NYC area and Tokyo, including dojo run by the old of the old school Kyokushin pretty much ignored head punches. I am not talking about kihon and Ido geiko, but proper boxing skill development and sparring. If that is what you have, and it is wide spread, you've got a good thing going.
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Post by senshido on Mar 5, 2014 9:31:13 GMT -5
including dojo run by the old of the old school I am a bit saddened by that, you would think the old, old school (before knockdown) would still have incorporated head punches in their training.
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Post by GJEC on Mar 5, 2014 9:48:35 GMT -5
Guilty as charged.
The FIRST move in the FIRST kata is slipping a face punch and countering to the jawline. The same throughout the kata, the head is a primary target and of course the kihon also includes elbows knees etc.
But sparring with boxing style face punches? Nah. I leave that to the experts.
As I said earlier though, I like drills and action triggers that target the jawline with repeated strikes. I do them, plenty.
Gary
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Post by MMX on Mar 5, 2014 11:11:36 GMT -5
Guilty as charged. The FIRST move in the FIRST kata is slipping a face punch and countering to the jawline. The same throughout the kata, the head is a primary target and of course the kihon also includes elbows knees etc. But sparring with boxing style face punches? Nah. I leave that to the experts. As I said earlier though, I like drills and action triggers that target the jawline with repeated strikes. I do them, plenty. Gary Well yes that is much what we do. We don't spar boxing style but work on partner drills with face punching defense and some sparring but not boxing style.
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Post by senshido on Mar 5, 2014 13:27:14 GMT -5
nearly every Dojo i've trained at over here trains head punches, so perhaps we're not part of a small minority Knockdown dojo? That's good news to me. Every Kyokushin dojo I have trained in, NYC area and Tokyo, including dojo run by the old of the old school Kyokushin pretty much ignored head punches. I am not talking about kihon and Ido geiko, but proper boxing skill development and sparring. If that is what you have, and it is wide spread, you've got a good thing going. maybe I misunderstood your original post Wullie actually does this more than me, as he is a Kick-boxing style dojo that also does knockdown. so plenty head punch sparring my head type sparring would be typically clicker style, where we pull the head punches, touch only, (I don't use gloves) but never the less need to be blocked or avoided in training. apart from that I am more like Gary says attacks to the head & neck in SD type scenarios
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Post by Kurisu on Mar 5, 2014 21:15:43 GMT -5
Most of the time we do the standard knockdown kumite but occasionally I will have the students do controlled open hands to the face with a reminder to not poke the eyes. We also practice blocking headshots in ippon and sanbon kumite as well as goshinjitsu training.
Shihan Lowe used to always tell us - you can't tell someone, "you're not allowed to punch me face" in a confrontation. So, I try to balance out sports kumite with practical self defense training for our students.
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Post by meguro on Mar 6, 2014 8:53:30 GMT -5
Touch is good, Senshido. I actually like the idea of open hand striking to the face (searches for Bas Rutten slapping Frank Shamock vid)-it would save on cut or busted knuckles, and I understand law enforcement may not look upon open handed striking as severely as closed fist. Any LEO's present to confirm this? Side note, it's a shame Pankration didn't really take off. I thought those shinguard boots were pretty cool, but the idea of fighting in speedos-no thanks.
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Post by MMX on Mar 6, 2014 10:59:24 GMT -5
Most of the time we do the standard knockdown kumite but occasionally I will have the students do controlled open hands to the face with a reminder to not poke the eyes. We also practice blocking headshots in ippon and sanbon kumite as well as goshinjitsu training. Shihan Lowe used to always tell us - you can't tell someone, "you're not allowed to punch me face" in a confrontation. So, I try to balance out sports kumite with practical self defense training for our students. Yes that is pretty similar to how we handle it too. Osu!
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Post by GJEC on Mar 6, 2014 12:02:14 GMT -5
I've found that Enshin sparring rarely gets to the 'A frame' position where heads are almost touching while arms pummel the body and legs exchange low kicks. But it's still useful to incorporate palm heels to the forehead as a reminder to keep the hands up and head out of reach. Gary
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Post by evergrey on Mar 6, 2014 18:13:35 GMT -5
Hah! A-frame! Nice, I'll have to remember that, Gary.
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Post by curlbroscience on Mar 7, 2014 10:57:19 GMT -5
We practice head punching sparring in our group from time to time. When we practice application/bunkai it's always from the context of head punching. In both Kyokushin dojos (AKKO and Tezuka) we did not practice head punching or bunkai against head punching in Kata. I do not think the lack of or insertion of head punching is a point of contention.
One interesting thing we do sometimes is mix up rounds of head punch sparring and KD kumite.
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Post by meguro on Mar 13, 2014 3:48:37 GMT -5
I feel partially responsible for derailing this thread, cryptically titled "Doesn't Do Head Punches," when it was about nut kicking. The video I've attached demonstrates a type of kick I have not used. Basically, you kick up and retract your foot, as if back pedaling. The backpedalling is intended to tug on the tissues that suspend the ol' chestnuts, adding insult to injury.
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Post by curlbroscience on Mar 13, 2014 9:05:53 GMT -5
The video I've attached demonstrates a type of kick I have not used. Basically, you kick up and retract your foot, as if back pedaling. The backpedalling is intended to tug on the tissues that suspend the ol' chestnuts, adding insult to injury. What is the proper way to perform the 'nut kick'. I've been taught a shin straight up, toes straight up. Perhaps another thread? Edit: He really puts to great use the snap and retract of the kick to setup the same leg kinteki geri.
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Post by GJEC on Mar 13, 2014 9:20:10 GMT -5
I liked to stand at 45 degrees, palms up in a 'I don't want any trouble' position. Then switch kick using the front (left) leg and drive the shin in. Not had to do it for years, but when I did it got their undivided attention. Gary
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